Quote from: bryce0lynch on March 17, 2021, 04:01:30 PM
You jest, but I believe this is a real issue in the deaf community. I was at a New Years Eve function for the deaf a few years ago and it's all people wanted to talk about. 've seen it pop up in the news a few times since.

What? Deaf people outraged at being offered a cure?

Quote from: Omega on March 17, 2021, 10:55:13 PM

Quote from: bryce0lynch on March 17, 2021, 04:01:30 PM
You jest, but I believe this is a real issue in the deaf community. I was at a New Years Eve function for the deaf a few years ago and it's all people wanted to talk about. 've seen it pop up in the news a few times since.

What? Deaf people outraged at being offered a cure?

Through a quirk of social connections I have a fair number of deaf friends and acquaintances, and yes, it's an issue.  I didn't really see outrage, but it's not universally regarded as a good idea either.  There's a deaf culture, and that goes away if they're no longer deaf.  Also some feel just fine the way they are and think kids should be adults before deciding about a cochlear implant so they can make a responsible decision.  I think it's a no-brainer to get the implant, but obviously, everyone has their own values.

Quote from: SHARK on March 16, 2021, 04:16:52 PM
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I haven't seen the book here yet. I'm wondering how terrible the Candlekeep book is going to be!
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I'm wondering that myself. I'm interested in it (adventure anthologies are very useful to me), but I'm holding off until I hear an unbiased review (and I don't trust the gushing reviews I've seen so far since they're from places like Polygon that care more about how the authors identify than whether the material is actually good). I'm leery since like half the authors are the type with their pronouns in their Twitter bios; I'm not going to dismiss it just because of that - if the material is good, then it's good - but it does make me more cautious.

Quote from: Mishihari on March 18, 2021, 12:08:31 AM
Through a quirk of social connections I have a fair number of deaf friends and acquaintances, and yes, it's an issue.  I didn't really see outrage, but it's not universally regarded as a good idea either.  There's a deaf culture, and that goes away if they're no longer deaf.  Also some feel just fine the way they are and think kids should be adults before deciding about a cochlear implant so they can make a responsible decision.  I think it's a no-brainer to get the implant, but obviously, everyone has their own values.

That makes more sense. Its not outrage or telling people they should accept being handicapped. Just caution to think on surgery before taking the plunge. And I can guess why too. Any sort of surgery might impair what little you have left, if any. Or make difficult to impossible any later and more effective cures.

And totally understand people being comfortable with how they are and seeing a cure as practically redundant. But this often overlooks that the rest of us may not be experiencing this in a way thats acceptable. I sure am not. I'd love to have a cure. But so far none exists for my particular type of additional problem.

I think some reasonably dont want a cure because its not really a cure. Just a patch that fixes some problems but not all. I know several people with depression problems who would kill for a cure. But really do not like current medications as they bring very often their own issues. A patch rather than a cure.

Quote from: Kanyenya on March 18, 2021, 12:25:14 AMI'm leery since like half the authors are the type with their pronouns in their Twitter bios; I'm not going to dismiss it just because of that - if the material is good, then it's good - but it does make me more cautious.

Same. And since when did using "they" in a book become a "symbol of LGBQT acceptance"

Well going forward looks like alignment is optional and no longer appear in future releases.

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2021/03/dd-candlekeep-confirms-alignment-axed-for-new-monsters-2.html

Quote from: Omega on March 18, 2021, 06:29:15 AM

Quote from: Kanyenya on March 18, 2021, 12:25:14 AMI'm leery since like half the authors are the type with their pronouns in their Twitter bios; I'm not going to dismiss it just because of that - if the material is good, then it's good - but it does make me more cautious.

Same. And since when did using "they" in a book become a "symbol of LGBQT acceptance"

The 90's I guess?  But that was more about accepting females into the hobby.

Yeah I was disappointed when the reviewer on Bell of Lost Souls said the "most important thing to me was the diversity of authors on this project."  Like really?  The diversity of the authors is more important than the actual gaming content?  Pretty fucking rich coming from a site that mostly covers Games Workshop.  But it immediately made all the rest of the glowing review suspect.

QuoteAfter all, the big thing that folks were wanting to see was that "good" or "evil" weren't some objective, inherent quality that's passed on through blood or because you were made by an evil god or the like. Orcs can still be great villains, you can still have a bunch of evil marauders, it's just that they need to actually be motivated to do things for a reason–which feels like D&D is pushing in a more narrative direction with this change. Instead of the orcs being evil 'cause they are, they're evil because they're buying up all of the low-income housing and raising the rent to price tenants out of their ancestral homes. Or, y'know, whatever you consider evil.

Source: https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2021/03/dd-candlekeep-confirms-alignment-axed-for-new-monsters-2.html

Gaaah the stupid is being amplified.

Quote from: KingCheops on March 18, 2021, 11:14:14 AM

Quote from: Omega on March 18, 2021, 06:29:15 AM

Quote from: Kanyenya on March 18, 2021, 12:25:14 AMI'm leery since like half the authors are the type with their pronouns in their Twitter bios; I'm not going to dismiss it just because of that - if the material is good, then it's good - but it does make me more cautious.

Same. And since when did using "they" in a book become a "symbol of LGBQT acceptance"

The 90's I guess?  But that was more about accepting females into the hobby.

Yeah I was disappointed when the reviewer on Bell of Lost Souls said the "most important thing to me was the diversity of authors on this project."  Like really?  The diversity of the authors is more important than the actual gaming content?  Pretty fucking rich coming from a site that mostly covers Games Workshop.  But it immediately made all the rest of the glowing review suspect.

You know, talking about the Adventure doesn't generate clicks, or rather it is a biproduct.

Quote from: sureshot on March 18, 2021, 08:47:44 AM
Well going forward looks like alignment is optional and no longer appear in future releases.

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2021/03/dd-candlekeep-confirms-alignment-axed-for-new-monsters-2.html

I guess I'm not surprised. Is this going to be another lame book of short adventures?

QuoteBut, that's not necessarily a bad thing. As a reminder, in 5th Edition Dungeons & Dragons, alignment does almost nothing, mechanics-wise. The spells that reference it: detect good and evil, protection from good and evil, and the like only really care if you're a celestial being or a fiend or a fey or an undead creature. Aside from that, the only thing alignment does is determine how well your character gets along with a sentient magic weapon with a strong personality. Otherwise, all alignment does is give you a roleplaying direction–and there are much broader tools available to dungeon masters if that's what you're looking for. After all, we can all agree a Rakshasa is very different from, say, an Ice Devil, yet really the only hint you have is "they're both lawful evil." Again, it's a phrase that's basically meaningless, outside of "willing to technically follow the rules so long as it gets them what they want." Instead you could point out an Ice Devil's penchant for leadership or a rakshasa's cunning plans.

This writer is a moron.

Quote from: horsesoldier on March 18, 2021, 12:01:14 PMInstead you could point out an Ice Devil's penchant for leadership or a rakshasa's cunning plans.

This writer is a moron.
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Agreed. That alignment, for example, also gives an idea for the kind of social order a creature aims to does seem to be a too complex subject to him.

Depressingly, it seems the writer is accurate. Magic Circle and Protection from Good and Evil no longer target alignment, but certain creature types.

I mean, the latter spell is called 'protection from good and evil', but the spell text states:

QuoteUntil the spell ends, one willing creature you touch is protected against certain types of creatures: aberrations, celestials, elementals, fey, fiends, and undead.

Might as well have called it 'protection from abnormal critters'.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 18, 2021, 12:24:56 PM
Depressingly, it seems the writer is accurate. Magic Circle and Protection from Good and Evil no longer target alignment, but certain creature types.

I mean, the latter spell is called 'protection from good and evil', but the spell text states:

QuoteUntil the spell ends, one willing creature you touch is protected against certain types of creatures: aberrations, celestials, elementals, fey, fiends, and undead.

Might as well have called it 'protection from abnormal critters'.

So this is the culmination of a gradual process of changing the game into a social justice paradise.

If only there were a word for that process...

Quote from: RandyB on March 18, 2021, 12:34:06 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 18, 2021, 12:24:56 PM
Depressingly, it seems the writer is accurate. Magic Circle and Protection from Good and Evil no longer target alignment, but certain creature types.

I mean, the latter spell is called 'protection from good and evil', but the spell text states:

QuoteUntil the spell ends, one willing creature you touch is protected against certain types of creatures: aberrations, celestials, elementals, fey, fiends, and undead.

Might as well have called it 'protection from abnormal critters'.

So this is the culmination of a gradual process of changing the game into a social justice paradise.

If only there were a word for that process...

I believe the term NASA uses is "increased fuxitisation of your thangs". If you want to be technical I mean.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 18, 2021, 12:24:56 PM
Depressingly, it seems the writer is accurate. Magic Circle and Protection from Good and Evil no longer target alignment, but certain creature types.

I mean, the latter spell is called 'protection from good and evil', but the spell text states:

QuoteUntil the spell ends, one willing creature you touch is protected against certain types of creatures: aberrations, celestials, elementals, fey, fiends, and undead.

Might as well have called it 'protection from abnormal critters'.

And Jeremy Crawford, that great rules sage, has been very vocal in saying that the title has no bearing on the spell/ability, even when the text doesn't clear up what the ambiguity is.