So as of today here in Germany, I have seen the first arrivals of the Candlekeep Adventures in some Online Stores. So has anybody had the chance to skimm through the book, and if so how bad is it?
Greetings!
WELCOME TO THE SITE, COOKIEMONSTER!
I haven't seen the book here yet. I'm wondering how terrible the Candlekeep book is going to be!
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
What it boils down to is just more outrage marketing.
They know that anti SJWs AND real handicapped people who have not been brainwashed are going to complain. And complaining is... FREE ADVERTISING! horray! Play up something that is pretty much guaranteed to rile people up and profit at the expense of us filthy cripples who probably are too dumb to play RPGs anyhow. But give us your money anyhow rubes!
And sink or swim, they can play the poor helpless victim senselessly attacked by those mean ol racists!
I ordered mine today (not Germany but close), taking one for the team so to speak.
I'll let you know when it arrives (probably second half of April if it comes from Germany; fuck all these extra Brexit/Covid related delays).
Basically Candlekeep Mysteries is another anthology collection akin to the Yawning Portal one. Except this one is all original stuff by various designers. Sounds like that expansion for Betrayal at House on Haunted Hill that had Sarkesian and Price doing pieces for it. Could be bad, could be so-so, could be actually ok. It has quite a few adventures in it so who knows.
Quote from: Omega on March 16, 2021, 05:27:59 PM
Basically Candlekeep Mysteries is another anthology collection akin to the Yawning Portal one. Except this one is all original stuff by various designers. Sounds like that expansion for Betrayal at House on Haunted Hill that had Sarkesian and Price doing pieces for it. Could be bad, could be so-so, could be actually ok. It has quite a few adventures in it so who knows.
https://dnd.wizards.com/products/candlekeep-mysteries#:~:text=Adventure%20authors%20include%3A%20Graeme%20Barber,%2C%20and%20Toni%20Winslow%2DBrill.
Adventure authors include: Graeme Barber, Kelly Lynne D'angelo, Alison Huang, Mark Hulmes, Jennifer Kretchmer, Daniel Kwan, Adam Lee, Ari Levitch, Sarah Madsen, Christopher Perkins, Michael Polkinghorn, Taymoor Rehman, Derek Ruiz, Kienna Shaw, Brandes Stoddard, Amy Vorpahl, and Toni Winslow-Brill.I'm not seeing any Price/Sarkeesian level SJWs in there. OTOH it doesn't really sound like my cup of tea anyway, and the quality of WoTC adventure material is pretty consistently low so I don't plan to buy.
Quote from: S'mon on March 16, 2021, 05:41:43 PM
Quote from: Omega on March 16, 2021, 05:27:59 PM
Basically Candlekeep Mysteries is another anthology collection akin to the Yawning Portal one. Except this one is all original stuff by various designers. Sounds like that expansion for Betrayal at House on Haunted Hill that had Sarkesian and Price doing pieces for it. Could be bad, could be so-so, could be actually ok. It has quite a few adventures in it so who knows.
https://dnd.wizards.com/products/candlekeep-mysteries#:~:text=Adventure%20authors%20include%3A%20Graeme%20Barber,%2C%20and%20Toni%20Winslow%2DBrill.
Adventure authors include: ... Daniel Kwan...
I'm not seeing any Price/Sarkeesian level SJWs in there. OTOH it doesn't really sound like my cup of tea anyway, and the quality of WoTC adventure material is pretty consistently low so I don't plan to buy.
Isn't he the "Oriental Adventure was racist and must be purged!" dude? Sounds pretty SJW to me...
Quote from: Godfather Punk on March 16, 2021, 05:19:15 PM
I ordered mine today (not Germany but close), taking one for the team so to speak.
I'll let you know when it arrives (probably second half of April if it comes from Germany; fuck all these extra Brexit/Covid related delays).
Yeah I ordered some Books from Drivetrhough RPG so i am in the same boat.
Quote from: Eirikrautha on March 16, 2021, 05:51:25 PM
Quote from: S'mon on March 16, 2021, 05:41:43 PM
Quote from: Omega on March 16, 2021, 05:27:59 PM
Basically Candlekeep Mysteries is another anthology collection akin to the Yawning Portal one. Except this one is all original stuff by various designers. Sounds like that expansion for Betrayal at House on Haunted Hill that had Sarkesian and Price doing pieces for it. Could be bad, could be so-so, could be actually ok. It has quite a few adventures in it so who knows.
https://dnd.wizards.com/products/candlekeep-mysteries#:~:text=Adventure%20authors%20include%3A%20Graeme%20Barber,%2C%20and%20Toni%20Winslow%2DBrill.
Adventure authors include: ... Daniel Kwan...
I'm not seeing any Price/Sarkeesian level SJWs in there. OTOH it doesn't really sound like my cup of tea anyway, and the quality of WoTC adventure material is pretty consistently low so I don't plan to buy.
Isn't he the "Oriental Adventure was racist and must be purged!" dude? Sounds pretty SJW to me...
Yes, I am moslty interrested what bullshit Mr. Kwan is coming Up for His adventure.
Quote from: Eirikrautha on March 16, 2021, 05:51:25 PM
Adventure authors include: ... Daniel Kwan...
I'm not seeing any Price/Sarkeesian level SJWs in there. OTOH it doesn't really sound like my cup of tea anyway, and the quality of WoTC adventure material is pretty consistently low so I don't plan to buy.
Isn't he the "Oriental Adventure was racist and must be purged!" dude? Sounds pretty SJW to me...
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I think so, but my Google Fu (oo-er) must have failed me as I couldn't come up with anything on a 10 minute search.
Quote from: S'mon on March 16, 2021, 05:41:43 PMI'm not seeing any Price/Sarkeesian level SJWs in there. OTOH it doesn't really sound like my cup of tea anyway, and the quality of WoTC adventure material is pretty consistently low so I don't plan to buy.
I did not say either were in it. Just that its another collaboration/jam party sort of deal. Though some of those names seem a bit familliar but cant place other than I think Kwan. Graeme Barber apparently is from a "POC" site so probably a "diversity hire" checkmark. I feel sorry for him if that is true.
I believe Derek Ruiz is either a member here or posted on Pundit's video about this. He sounds like a good guy to me.
Waiting to hear about players who get mad at the dm for having npc clerics cast regen on their wheelchair bound characters.
Quote from: Slipshot762 on March 17, 2021, 10:59:22 AM
Waiting to hear about players who get mad at the dm for having npc clerics cast regen on their wheelchair bound characters.
That would be awesome... imagine the salt.
DM:
"You have defeated the mob of orcs and their goblin allies. The floor is slick with the blood of your foes and even some of your own as well. The cleric of life and regeneration prays over you and you feel your wounds mend and close and your legs grow stronger and regains all sensation."SJW Player:
"What? How dare he?"DM:
"The tenets of xers faith demand that heal all xer allies with in the persuit of your quest to restore freedom to the kingdom."SJW Player:
"I don't give him consent to heal me or restore my legs! That's rape!"DM:
"Why are you misgendering the cleric? And xer's the only healer in the party, you're not going to last long without healing... If xer can't do as his deity demands xer will lose the ability to cast any spells at all.."Rest of Party: *groans audibly*
You jest, but I believe this is a real issue in the deaf community. I was at a New Years Eve function for the deaf a few years ago and it's all people wanted to talk about. 've seen it pop up in the news a few times since.
Quote from: bryce0lynch on March 17, 2021, 04:01:30 PM
You jest, but I believe this is a real issue in the deaf community. I was at a New Years Eve function for the deaf a few years ago and it's all people wanted to talk about. 've seen it pop up in the news a few times since.
What? Deaf people outraged at being offered a cure?
Quote from: Omega on March 17, 2021, 10:55:13 PM
Quote from: bryce0lynch on March 17, 2021, 04:01:30 PM
You jest, but I believe this is a real issue in the deaf community. I was at a New Years Eve function for the deaf a few years ago and it's all people wanted to talk about. 've seen it pop up in the news a few times since.
What? Deaf people outraged at being offered a cure?
Through a quirk of social connections I have a fair number of deaf friends and acquaintances, and yes, it's an issue. I didn't really see outrage, but it's not universally regarded as a good idea either. There's a deaf culture, and that goes away if they're no longer deaf. Also some feel just fine the way they are and think kids should be adults before deciding about a cochlear implant so they can make a responsible decision. I think it's a no-brainer to get the implant, but obviously, everyone has their own values.
Quote from: SHARK on March 16, 2021, 04:16:52 PM
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I haven't seen the book here yet. I'm wondering how terrible the Candlekeep book is going to be!
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I'm wondering that myself. I'm interested in it (adventure anthologies are very useful to me), but I'm holding off until I hear an unbiased review (and I don't trust the gushing reviews I've seen so far since they're from places like Polygon that care more about how the authors identify than whether the material is actually good). I'm leery since like half the authors are the type with their pronouns in their Twitter bios; I'm not going to dismiss it just because of that - if the material is good, then it's good - but it does make me more cautious.
Quote from: Mishihari on March 18, 2021, 12:08:31 AM
Through a quirk of social connections I have a fair number of deaf friends and acquaintances, and yes, it's an issue. I didn't really see outrage, but it's not universally regarded as a good idea either. There's a deaf culture, and that goes away if they're no longer deaf. Also some feel just fine the way they are and think kids should be adults before deciding about a cochlear implant so they can make a responsible decision. I think it's a no-brainer to get the implant, but obviously, everyone has their own values.
That makes more sense. Its not outrage or telling people they should accept being handicapped. Just caution to think on surgery before taking the plunge. And I can guess why too. Any sort of surgery might impair what little you have left, if any. Or make difficult to impossible any later and more effective cures.
And totally understand people being comfortable with how they are and seeing a cure as practically redundant. But this often overlooks that the rest of us may not be experiencing this in a way thats acceptable. I sure am not. I'd love to have a cure. But so far none exists for my particular type of additional problem.
I think some reasonably dont want a cure because its not really a cure. Just a patch that fixes some problems but not all. I know several people with depression problems who would kill for a cure. But really do not like current medications as they bring very often their own issues. A patch rather than a cure.
Quote from: Kanyenya on March 18, 2021, 12:25:14 AMI'm leery since like half the authors are the type with their pronouns in their Twitter bios; I'm not going to dismiss it just because of that - if the material is good, then it's good - but it does make me more cautious.
Same. And since when did using "they" in a book become a "symbol of LGBQT acceptance"???
Well going forward looks like alignment is optional and no longer appear in future releases.
https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2021/03/dd-candlekeep-confirms-alignment-axed-for-new-monsters-2.html
Quote from: Omega on March 18, 2021, 06:29:15 AM
Quote from: Kanyenya on March 18, 2021, 12:25:14 AMI'm leery since like half the authors are the type with their pronouns in their Twitter bios; I'm not going to dismiss it just because of that - if the material is good, then it's good - but it does make me more cautious.
Same. And since when did using "they" in a book become a "symbol of LGBQT acceptance"???
The 90's I guess? But that was more about accepting females into the hobby.
Yeah I was disappointed when the reviewer on Bell of Lost Souls said the "most important thing to me was the diversity of authors on this project." Like really? The diversity of the authors is more important than the actual gaming content? Pretty fucking rich coming from a site that mostly covers Games Workshop. But it immediately made all the rest of the glowing review suspect.
QuoteAfter all, the big thing that folks were wanting to see was that "good" or "evil" weren't some objective, inherent quality that's passed on through blood or because you were made by an evil god or the like. Orcs can still be great villains, you can still have a bunch of evil marauders, it's just that they need to actually be motivated to do things for a reason–which feels like D&D is pushing in a more narrative direction with this change. Instead of the orcs being evil 'cause they are, they're evil because they're buying up all of the low-income housing and raising the rent to price tenants out of their ancestral homes. Or, y'know, whatever you consider evil.
Source: https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2021/03/dd-candlekeep-confirms-alignment-axed-for-new-monsters-2.html
Gaaah the stupid is being amplified.
Quote from: KingCheops on March 18, 2021, 11:14:14 AM
Quote from: Omega on March 18, 2021, 06:29:15 AM
Quote from: Kanyenya on March 18, 2021, 12:25:14 AMI'm leery since like half the authors are the type with their pronouns in their Twitter bios; I'm not going to dismiss it just because of that - if the material is good, then it's good - but it does make me more cautious.
Same. And since when did using "they" in a book become a "symbol of LGBQT acceptance"???
The 90's I guess? But that was more about accepting females into the hobby.
Yeah I was disappointed when the reviewer on Bell of Lost Souls said the "most important thing to me was the diversity of authors on this project." Like really? The diversity of the authors is more important than the actual gaming content? Pretty fucking rich coming from a site that mostly covers Games Workshop. But it immediately made all the rest of the glowing review suspect.
You know, talking about the Adventure doesn't generate clicks, or rather it is a biproduct.
Quote from: sureshot on March 18, 2021, 08:47:44 AM
Well going forward looks like alignment is optional and no longer appear in future releases.
https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2021/03/dd-candlekeep-confirms-alignment-axed-for-new-monsters-2.html
I guess I'm not surprised. Is this going to be another lame book of short adventures?
QuoteBut, that's not necessarily a bad thing. As a reminder, in 5th Edition Dungeons & Dragons, alignment does almost nothing, mechanics-wise. The spells that reference it: detect good and evil, protection from good and evil, and the like only really care if you're a celestial being or a fiend or a fey or an undead creature. Aside from that, the only thing alignment does is determine how well your character gets along with a sentient magic weapon with a strong personality. Otherwise, all alignment does is give you a roleplaying direction–and there are much broader tools available to dungeon masters if that's what you're looking for. After all, we can all agree a Rakshasa is very different from, say, an Ice Devil, yet really the only hint you have is "they're both lawful evil." Again, it's a phrase that's basically meaningless, outside of "willing to technically follow the rules so long as it gets them what they want." Instead you could point out an Ice Devil's penchant for leadership or a rakshasa's cunning plans.
This writer is a moron.
Quote from: horsesoldier on March 18, 2021, 12:01:14 PMInstead you could point out an Ice Devil's penchant for leadership or a rakshasa's cunning plans.
This writer is a moron.
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Agreed. That alignment, for example, also gives an idea for the kind of social order a creature aims to does seem to be a too complex subject to him.
Depressingly, it seems the writer is accurate.
Magic Circle and
Protection from Good and Evil no longer target alignment, but certain creature types.
I mean, the latter spell is called 'protection from good and evil', but the spell text states:
QuoteUntil the spell ends, one willing creature you touch is protected against certain types of creatures: aberrations, celestials, elementals, fey, fiends, and undead.
Might as well have called it 'protection from abnormal critters'.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 18, 2021, 12:24:56 PM
Depressingly, it seems the writer is accurate. Magic Circle and Protection from Good and Evil no longer target alignment, but certain creature types.
I mean, the latter spell is called 'protection from good and evil', but the spell text states:
QuoteUntil the spell ends, one willing creature you touch is protected against certain types of creatures: aberrations, celestials, elementals, fey, fiends, and undead.
Might as well have called it 'protection from abnormal critters'.
So this is the culmination of a gradual process of changing the game into a social justice paradise.
If only there were a word for that process...
Quote from: RandyB on March 18, 2021, 12:34:06 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 18, 2021, 12:24:56 PM
Depressingly, it seems the writer is accurate. Magic Circle and Protection from Good and Evil no longer target alignment, but certain creature types.
I mean, the latter spell is called 'protection from good and evil', but the spell text states:
QuoteUntil the spell ends, one willing creature you touch is protected against certain types of creatures: aberrations, celestials, elementals, fey, fiends, and undead.
Might as well have called it 'protection from abnormal critters'.
So this is the culmination of a gradual process of changing the game into a social justice paradise.
If only there were a word for that process...
I believe the term NASA uses is "increased fuxitisation of your thangs". If you want to be technical I mean.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 18, 2021, 12:24:56 PM
Depressingly, it seems the writer is accurate. Magic Circle and Protection from Good and Evil no longer target alignment, but certain creature types.
I mean, the latter spell is called 'protection from good and evil', but the spell text states:
QuoteUntil the spell ends, one willing creature you touch is protected against certain types of creatures: aberrations, celestials, elementals, fey, fiends, and undead.
Might as well have called it 'protection from abnormal critters'.
And Jeremy Crawford, that great rules sage, has been very vocal in saying that the title has no bearing on the spell/ability, even when the text doesn't clear up what the ambiguity is.
Quote from: horsesoldier on March 18, 2021, 03:39:05 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 18, 2021, 12:24:56 PM
Depressingly, it seems the writer is accurate. Magic Circle and Protection from Good and Evil no longer target alignment, but certain creature types.
I mean, the latter spell is called 'protection from good and evil', but the spell text states:
QuoteUntil the spell ends, one willing creature you touch is protected against certain types of creatures: aberrations, celestials, elementals, fey, fiends, and undead.
Might as well have called it 'protection from abnormal critters'.
And Jeremy Crawford, that great rules sage, has been very vocal in saying that the title has no bearing on the spell/ability, even when the text doesn't clear up what the ambiguity is.
Then Jeremy Crawford is an imbecile, and should be under supervision lest he hurt himself by playing with those scissors with the rounded tips.
Quote from: Reckall on March 18, 2021, 12:18:44 PM
Quote from: horsesoldier on March 18, 2021, 12:01:14 PMInstead you could point out an Ice Devil's penchant for leadership or a rakshasa's cunning plans.
This writer is a moron.
Agreed. That alignment, for example, also gives an idea for the kind of social order a creature aims to does seem to be a too complex subject to him.
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It's a great short hand and that's why alignment has stuck around for so long. " Rakshasas are a race of malevolent spirits encased in flesh that hunt and torment humanity. No one knows where these creatures originate; some say they are the embodiment of nightmares. "
Yeah but these creatures of pure malevolence that exist to torment humanity? It would be wrong to assume they're evil!
From what I've seen, Daniel Kwan's adventure is a cheap knock off of a cheap knock off (Kill Bill) of asian culture.
(https://imgix.bustle.com/uploads/image/2021/3/3/14801f37-7e14-4df4-b931-611232ff8660-dnd_candlekeep-mysteries_spoilerart_325128_nikki-dawes.jpg?w=760&h=950&fit=max&auto=format%2Ccompress)
After all the fuss he made about Oriental Adventures you'd think he'd have put in a bit more effort. Then again, given the obvious lack of originality and writing talent in most of these sensitivity readers, it's not too surprising.
You know, I guess it's either a good or a bad thing that RPG writing pays so little. Good in that absolute hacks like Kwan aren't getting rich; bad in that absolute hacks like Kwan are making any money at all.
Quote from: horsesoldier on March 19, 2021, 09:43:46 AM
You know, I guess it's either a good or a bad thing that RPG writing pays so little. Good in that absolute hacks like Kwan aren't getting rich; bad in that absolute hacks like Kwan are making any money at all.
I think you are slandering hack writers by giving Kwan too much credit.
Quote from: horsesoldier on March 18, 2021, 03:43:26 PM
Quote from: Reckall on March 18, 2021, 12:18:44 PM
Quote from: horsesoldier on March 18, 2021, 12:01:14 PMQuoteInstead you could point out an Ice Devil's penchant for leadership or a rakshasa's cunning plans.
This writer is a moron.
Agreed. That alignment, for example, also gives an idea for the kind of social order a creature aims to does seem to be a too complex subject to him.
It's a great short hand and that's why alignment has stuck around for so long. " Rakshasas are a race of malevolent spirits encased in flesh that hunt and torment humanity. No one knows where these creatures originate; some say they are the embodiment of nightmares. "
Yeah but these creatures of pure malevolence that exist to torment humanity? It would be wrong to assume they're evil!
I mean, he's not wrong that alignment is typically simplified to the point of being uninformative beyond "kill or do not kill." For example, Robin Hood is commonly touted as Chaotic Good, when in fact he's actually pretty orderly in behavior and is just not respecting laws that he finds unjust. You could say more accurately that he is Orderly Lawless Good: his behavior is orderly, he doesn't respect the law of the land, and he doesn't respect it because he thinks it is unjust/evil. That's not an SJW argument: 3pp to add alignment axes are
old. (https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/19233/)
Alignment just isn't useful for what D&D tries to use it for, because it was never written for that in the first place. Moorcock used it for a cosmic conflict, not individual behaviors. For characters, you'd be better off using actual codes of behavior.
But I digress.
Also, please make sure that your quotes are formatted correctly.
Quote from: mightybrain on March 19, 2021, 07:46:38 AM
From what I've seen, Daniel Kwan's adventure is a cheap knock off of a cheap knock off (Kill Bill) of asian culture.
Quote from: mightybrain on March 19, 2021, 07:46:38 AMAfter all the fuss he made about Oriental Adventures you'd think he'd have put in a bit more effort. Then again, given the obvious lack of originality and writing talent in most of these sensitivity readers, it's not too surprising.
Hypocrisy, grifting... this is textbook behavior for these types. These...
Americans. Only an American would pull the cultural appropriation he does without a hint of irony.
Newsflash: white people having almond-shaped eyes (https://clairelight.typepad.com/seelight/2006/09/almond_eyes.html) doesn't give them the qualifications to be sensitivity readers and cultural consultants for all cultures past and present who were composed of people who looked vaguely like them. Same deal for everyone else.
If you want insight into (for example) Chinese fantasy fiction, then watch a fantasy C-Drama or read a Wuxia, Xianxia, or Xuanhuan novel. You know, stuff made
by Chinese people.
I will haphazardly format quotes however I like, thank you very much. I saw it was messed up, I just don't care enough to fix it. And now that we're several quotes deep it really isn't worth the work.
Alignment doesn't need to predict behavior. It is used to indicate behavior. It's a shorthand. A hobgoblin being LE, an orc being CE and a Kenku being N--that's all useful information. I can, with a reminder that a party of Kenku foragers the players encounter by seeing their alignment, be able to reasonably model their behavior without re-reading their entire entry.
So if alignment is used as a "kill or not kill" that's on you. I use it all of the time when playing D&D. The various players I've had, they all at one point or another use their alignment or the alignment of another as a motivation to do something.
Quote from: Omega on March 18, 2021, 06:26:10 AM
Quote from: Mishihari on March 18, 2021, 12:08:31 AM
Through a quirk of social connections I have a fair number of deaf friends and acquaintances, and yes, it's an issue. I didn't really see outrage, but it's not universally regarded as a good idea either. There's a deaf culture, and that goes away if they're no longer deaf. Also some feel just fine the way they are and think kids should be adults before deciding about a cochlear implant so they can make a responsible decision. I think it's a no-brainer to get the implant, but obviously, everyone has their own values.
That makes more sense. Its not outrage or telling people they should accept being handicapped. Just caution to think on surgery before taking the plunge. And I can guess why too. Any sort of surgery might impair what little you have left, if any. Or make difficult to impossible any later and more effective cures.
And totally understand people being comfortable with how they are and seeing a cure as practically redundant. But this often overlooks that the rest of us may not be experiencing this in a way thats acceptable. I sure am not. I'd love to have a cure. But so far none exists for my particular type of additional problem.
I think some reasonably dont want a cure because its not really a cure. Just a patch that fixes some problems but not all. I know several people with depression problems who would kill for a cure. But really do not like current medications as they bring very often their own issues. A patch rather than a cure.
Also very good points. I always weigh the risks of any surgery or new medication.
Quote from: horsesoldier on March 19, 2021, 02:28:34 PM
I will haphazardly format quotes however I like, thank you very much. I saw it was messed up, I just don't care enough to fix it. And now that we're several quotes deep it really isn't worth the work.
Alignment doesn't need to predict behavior. It is used to indicate behavior. It's a shorthand. A hobgoblin being LE, an orc being CE and a Kenku being N--that's all useful information. I can, with a reminder that a party of Kenku foragers the players encounter by seeing their alignment, be able to reasonably model their behavior without re-reading their entire entry.
So if alignment is used as a "kill or not kill" that's on you. I use it all of the time when playing D&D. The various players I've had, they all at one point or another use their alignment or the alignment of another as a motivation to do something.
Greetings!
Good stuff, Horsesoldier!
I agree very much.
I don't really get the hysterical opposition to alignment. The laborious pontificating about how terribly limited and restrictive alignment is, and so on.
I've always viewed--and used--alignment as a one sentence expression of the person, character, or creature's personality, goals, philosophy, and general world view.
The application of alignment for whatever individual is then quite flexible, and interesting in many ways, applying more so in some ways or less so in other ways, as deemed appropriate by the DM.
The variety in approaches is endless, and alignment has always been very useful, and as a quick line to read, absolutely convenient in providing a quick foundation for the creature's personality, morals, values, goals, and approach to life.
Semper Fidelis,
SHARK
Quote from: horsesoldier on March 18, 2021, 03:43:26 PM
Quote from: Reckall on March 18, 2021, 12:18:44 PM
Quote from: horsesoldier on March 18, 2021, 12:01:14 PMInstead you could point out an Ice Devil's penchant for leadership or a rakshasa's cunning plans.
This writer is a moron.
Agreed. That alignment, for example, also gives an idea for the kind of social order a creature aims to does seem to be a too complex subject to him.
It's a great short hand and that's why alignment has stuck around for so long. " Rakshasas are a race of malevolent spirits encased in flesh that hunt and torment humanity. No one knows where these creatures originate; some say they are the embodiment of nightmares. "
Yeah but these creatures of pure malevolence that exist to torment humanity? It would be wrong to assume they're evil!
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Exactly! I worked with a very devout Hindu (great guy btw) and once mentioned raksashas because of a game I was running and he freaked out and asked me how I knew of them and how I shouldn't speak of them. Same deal with a Muslim guy and djinn.
Quote from: mightybrain on March 19, 2021, 07:46:38 AM
From what I've seen, Daniel Kwan's adventure is a cheap knock off of a cheap knock off (Kill Bill) of asian culture.
(https://imgix.bustle.com/uploads/image/2021/3/3/14801f37-7e14-4df4-b931-611232ff8660-dnd_candlekeep-mysteries_spoilerart_325128_nikki-dawes.jpg?w=760&h=950&fit=max&auto=format%2Ccompress)
After all the fuss he made about Oriental Adventures you'd think he'd have put in a bit more effort. Then again, given the obvious lack of originality and writing talent in most of these sensitivity readers, it's not too surprising.
What? Low effort rip off content from an SJW? Who would have expected that?
These people pushing that alignment means nothing are the same people that fling the word "Nazi" around like mad and insist that these "Nazis" are irredeemably evil and need to be purged from society for their crimes of disagreeing with them, you know... a totally accurate portrayal of real Nazis.
Quote from: Samsquantch on March 19, 2021, 02:54:48 PM
These people pushing that alignment means nothing are the same people that fling the word "Nazi" around like mad and insist that these "Nazis" are irredeemably evil and need to be purged from society for their crimes of disagreeing with them, you know... a totally accurate portrayal of real Nazis.
Those folks reject the concept of morality as anything other than what allows them to indulge themselves without accountability. Alignment smells enough like a system of objective morality that it is to them like a crucifix is to a vampire - wait, they already did away with that, too.
Quote from: RandyB on March 19, 2021, 03:11:31 PM
Those folks reject the concept of morality as anything other than what allows them to indulge themselves without accountability. Alignment smells enough like a system of objective morality that it is to them like a crucifix is to a vampire - wait, they already did away with that, too.
That's why I hate them so much. Everything they espouse to believe is made up of lies and misinformation. Reality is what they say it is and it changes on a whim. If you've ever known a schizophrenic you'll notice the great similarities in behaviour.
Quote from: mightybrain on March 19, 2021, 07:46:38 AM
From what I've seen, Daniel Kwan's adventure is a cheap knock off of a cheap knock off (Kill Bill) of asian culture.
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After all the fuss he made about Oriental Adventures you'd think he'd have put in a bit more effort. Then again, given the obvious lack of originality and writing talent in most of these sensitivity readers, it's not too surprising.
I still don't understand how the Monk class has gotten a pass from him.
Everything he said about Oriental Adventures also applies to the Monk character class.
IMHO cancelling an entire character class would be a real achievement!
They need to aim higher.
Quote from: horsesoldier on March 19, 2021, 09:43:46 AM
You know, I guess it's either a good or a bad thing that RPG writing pays so little. Good in that absolute hacks like Kwan aren't getting rich; bad in that absolute hacks like Kwan are making any money at all.
The be blunt - if RPG writing made big bucks, there would be a lot more competition for those jobs and a lot of the current writers would be out of a job.
Quote from: Charon's Little Helper on March 19, 2021, 04:52:36 PM
Quote from: horsesoldier on March 19, 2021, 09:43:46 AM
You know, I guess it's either a good or a bad thing that RPG writing pays so little. Good in that absolute hacks like Kwan aren't getting rich; bad in that absolute hacks like Kwan are making any money at all.
The be blunt - if RPG writing made big bucks, there would be a lot more competition for those jobs and a lot of the current writers would be out of a job.
Unfortunately no.
What you'd see is even more vicious backstabbing that is already in the gaming industry. Its bad over in the board gaming circles where we have designers telling the new kids all sorts of misinformation to sabotage potential competition.
There still isn't all that much money in board game design. Not unless you get your name on the box. Or if you're the sort where you have enough cachet to get responses from multiple publishers.
I do agree that the money is immaterial to the issue at hand. The days of a TSR having a stable of writers/artists/editors who all work together and in turn making each other better is gone and it is never coming back. We will never see the kind of professionalism we saw in the core 2e books/settings (yeah some of the art sucked but some of it was amazing). Nearly all of them were leftists, as far as I can tell, the culture just wasn't so infested with rot then.
Quote from: horsesoldier on March 22, 2021, 09:53:48 AM
Nearly all of them were leftists, as far as I can tell, the culture just wasn't so infested with rot then.
I have enough online contact with folks from the late TSR days to know that they run the gamut--many were left-wing, some seem to have been largely apolitical, at least one is more libertarian/independent. I think there was a lot more ideological diversity in those days, largely due to corporate culture and location.
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on March 22, 2021, 10:39:51 AM
Quote from: horsesoldier on March 22, 2021, 09:53:48 AM
Nearly all of them were leftists, as far as I can tell, the culture just wasn't so infested with rot then.
I have enough online contact with folks from the late TSR days to know that they run the gamut--many were left-wing, some seem to have been largely apolitical, at least one is more libertarian/independent. I think there was a lot more ideological diversity in those days, largely due to corporate culture and location.
That's good to hear. I based my statement off of what I've seen written on twitter or in retrospectives. So I defer to your personal experience.
Either way you'd have no way or knowing based on their output. I can separate the art from the creator, mainly because I only care about the art.
Quote from: horsesoldier on March 22, 2021, 10:50:40 AM
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on March 22, 2021, 10:39:51 AM
Quote from: horsesoldier on March 22, 2021, 09:53:48 AM
Nearly all of them were leftists, as far as I can tell, the culture just wasn't so infested with rot then.
I have enough online contact with folks from the late TSR days to know that they run the gamut--many were left-wing, some seem to have been largely apolitical, at least one is more libertarian/independent. I think there was a lot more ideological diversity in those days, largely due to corporate culture and location.
That's good to hear. I based my statement off of what I've seen written on twitter or in retrospectives. So I defer to your personal experience.
Either way you'd have no way or knowing based on their output. I can separate the art from the creator, mainly because I only care about the art.
Separating the art from the creator is only possible if the creator does so themselves. Those creators who refuse to do so make it impossible for anyone else to do so, either.
Sure, no disagreement there.
I'm not wholly against alignment. I just prefer the original Moorcock conception over the convolutions that later editions of D&D added.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 22, 2021, 12:21:50 PM
I'm not wholly against alignment. I just prefer the original Moorcock conception over the convolutions that later editions of D&D added.
The 64,000-gp question on alignment: Does it come from Moorcock (both are alien and often inimical to ordinary human beings) or Anderson (Law is good, Chaos is evil)?
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on March 22, 2021, 12:32:43 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 22, 2021, 12:21:50 PM
I'm not wholly against alignment. I just prefer the original Moorcock conception over the convolutions that later editions of D&D added.
The 64,000-gp question on alignment: Does it come from Moorcock (both are alien and often inimical to ordinary human beings) or Anderson (Law is good, Chaos is evil)?
Choose one for your game and go with it. No "one solution for all" required.
Quote from: Omega on March 17, 2021, 10:55:13 PM
What? Deaf people outraged at being offered a cure?
Yes, and the idea that deafness is something to be cured is deeply offensive to them.
Quote from: Omega on March 18, 2021, 06:26:10 AM
Its not outrage or telling people they should accept being handicapped. Just caution to think on surgery before taking the plunge.
No, that's the basis of the fearmongering they use to discourage people from seeking treatment.
I've had more than a few encounters with deaf culture, and I can say conclusively that they see deafness as something which makes them special if not
better than others, and believe making otherwise deaf children able to hear is literal genocide. I understand why the sentiment exists, but that doesn't change how deeply problematic it is, especially in this case as being deaf limits your ability to communicate and form connections with those outside the group. And while it's one thing to encourage others to accept their disabilities, it's quite another to
demand they do or face ostracization and expulsion.
Quote from: Anon Adderlan on March 23, 2021, 03:20:30 AM
I've had more than a few encounters with deaf culture, and I can say conclusively that they see deafness as something which makes them special if not better than others, and believe making otherwise deaf children able to hear is literal genocide. I understand why the sentiment exists, but that doesn't change how deeply problematic it is, especially in this case as being deaf limits your ability to communicate and form connections with those outside the group. And while it's one thing to encourage others to accept their disabilities, it's quite another to demand they do or face ostracization and expulsion.
That sounds familiar. A bit like the way people become institutionalised by prison such that they are not happy living outside and then commit crimes just to get back in. I have a friend in a wheelchair who told me once if exoskeletons became available he wouldn't use one because he prefers wheelchair culture.
Quote from: Anon Adderlan on March 23, 2021, 03:20:30 AM
Yes, and the idea that deafness is something to be cured is deeply offensive to them.
Quote from: Omega on March 18, 2021, 06:26:10 AM
Its not outrage or telling people they should accept being handicapped. Just caution to think on surgery before taking the plunge.
No, that's the basis of the fearmongering they use to discourage people from seeking treatment.
I've had more than a few encounters with deaf culture, and I can say conclusively that they see deafness as something which makes them special if not better than others, and believe making otherwise deaf children able to hear is literal genocide. I understand why the sentiment exists, but that doesn't change how deeply problematic it is, especially in this case as being deaf limits your ability to communicate and form connections with those outside the group. And while it's one thing to encourage others to accept their disabilities, it's quite another to demand they do or face ostracization and expulsion.
Odds are the ones saying this stuff are either A: Ones born to it and thus it is natural to them. Or B: The usual suspects. The parasites who oh so love to "speak for us".
Pwesonally I want a cure. Not a patch. See my comments in my handicapped thread for the ins and outs of this. But baseline is. People born with, or on occasion very adapted to, their condition are more likely to not see it as a "problem". They have no right to tell those who have had disabilities inflicted on them that they cant have a cure. Some have probably been poisoned by the Moral Outrage brigade as they pull this stunt every damn iteration. This goes back at least to the 70s when first encountered it.
Caution is fine. Trying to force others to continue to suffer just so you can be a snowflake is not fine.
The nearest thing I have experienced was a moderate speech disorder as an adolescent and I cannot imagine anyone wanting to keep a speech disorder. It was misery and made everything harder in life, and it still sucks when it pops up.
What kind of person doesn't want their children to hear the call of a bird in the morning? The sound of waves crashing on the beach? Wind rustling through the forest?
The discussion of deaf culture reminds me of a classic post from one of the earliest blogs
https://web.archive.org/web/20050308192859/http://www.misanthropic-bitch.com/deaf_as_i_wanna_be.html
I agree with another poster in that those who claim not wanting a cure were born with the condition or one of those who suffer from " speaking for us" syndrome. Even then the first group are definitely imo are minority. You can bet if someone who cannot walk were given the chance to walk they would outnumber those who do not want the cure. The second group show and repeatedly keep showing that they suffer from no disability. I wear glasses and have trouble seeing without them if I was given a cure no questions or string attached I would talk it.
What gets me is that those in favor of the wheelchair get angry when one mentions that the wheelchair using character can use magic, or worse no special consideration. Yet then turn around and go "it's not like we are telling you not to attack such characters". Nah just telling us that te the Orcs, Hogoblins and other such evil character all should have their lairs up to code. With asphalt roads go all over the place in the campaign world. My games they can be used no special consideration or go find another table.
The other big one is... is the disability also with side effects that are not so easily ignored. As noted prior. They would not be preaching "cure bad!" if they had any of the attendant problems.
But theres been this vocal group for decades now.
As for Candlekeep. Still remains to be seen what this "accessible" dungeon is. And since its one of 10 most likely then it may turn out to be another one of WOTC's meaningless insertions. Just this being played as a marketing ploy.
Chapter 1, page 4 has a paragraph ("Be a Sensitive Dungeon Master") with some x-card type advice, not to stress your new players.
Apparently I'm a bad DM, because when playing a horror type scenario, I'm used to find out a player's phobias through out-of-game conversations, and then incorporating those triggers in game.
A very cursory flipping through the pages showed no specific side-bars; I'll give it a more in depth reading later tonight, or this week.
The tear-out map of Candlekeep is only printed one side. It's a nice image of the keeps' layout, in a classic clear drawing style, but I don't see much in-game use for it.
A marketing ploy to whom though? How big is this aggrieved SJW market? Back when I was a younger man I had a girlfriend who had the PHB and DMG on her bookshelf as decoration. She never opened them. She was a proto-SJW, your standard wealthy white girl feminist type. But her equivalent today, I cannot see them buying supplements.
So I guess they're virtue signaling to themselves and just riding off of the sales in general. I just don't get the market they're trying to court.
Quote from: Godfather Punk on March 29, 2021, 09:23:03 AM
Chapter 1, page 4 has a paragraph ("Be a Sensitive Dungeon Master") with some x-card type advice, not to stress your new players.
Apparently I'm a bad DM, because when playing a horror type scenario, I'm used to find out a player's phobias through out-of-game conversations, and then incorporating those triggers in game.
A very cursory flipping through the pages showed no specific side-bars; I'll give it a more in depth reading later tonight, or this week.
The tear-out map of Candlekeep is only printed one side. It's a nice image of the keeps' layout, in a classic clear drawing style, but I don't see much in-game use for it.
I swear, this crap is written under the assumption that DMs are obdurate, unperceptive morons with all the agency of a crappy AI. Like we can't work our game for the group with an understanding of what's acceptable versus what's not.
Quote from: horsesoldier on March 29, 2021, 10:01:12 AM
A marketing ploy to whom though? How big is this aggrieved SJW market?
The market isnt all that big far as anyones ever discovered.
But marketing has been pushing this ruthlessly. DIVERSE OR ELSE! (That is till its THEIR job on the line.)
Combined with infiltrators who really do not care if they destroy a brand or lose money. Its about spreading the agenda and brainwashing as many as you can. It also lays the foundations for the next iteration which invariably turns on the prior.
Handicapped people are on the SJW checklist of victims to parasite off of. Usually near the end of an iteration, but not always. We saw it coming a few years ago when WOTC had that little article in Dragon+ asking how they can make D&D more "welcoming" to the handicapped. With the usual insinuation that we were not and that now WOTC will "fix" that.
Because theres profit in them thar cripples! Or so marketing tells them.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 29, 2021, 10:24:13 AM
I swear, this crap is written under the assumption that DMs are obdurate, unperceptive morons with all the agency of a crappy AI. Like we can't work our game for the group with an understanding of what's acceptable versus what's not.
Forge/Swine have been pushing this narrative for over a decade now.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 29, 2021, 10:24:13 AM
Quote from: Godfather Punk on March 29, 2021, 09:23:03 AM
Chapter 1, page 4 has a paragraph ("Be a Sensitive Dungeon Master") with some x-card type advice, not to stress your new players.
Apparently I'm a bad DM, because when playing a horror type scenario, I'm used to find out a player's phobias through out-of-game conversations, and then incorporating those triggers in game.
A very cursory flipping through the pages showed no specific side-bars; I'll give it a more in depth reading later tonight, or this week.
The tear-out map of Candlekeep is only printed one side. It's a nice image of the keeps' layout, in a classic clear drawing style, but I don't see much in-game use for it.
I swear, this crap is written under the assumption that DMs are obdurate, unperceptive morons with all the agency of a crappy AI. Like we can't work our game for the group with an understanding of what's acceptable versus what's not.
The thing that I don't understand, suppose we are like they think we are. The issue would take care of itself, there'd be no players for this bonehead DM's. The only time I ever hear about creepy stuff at the table is the male feminist.
Quote from: horsesoldier on March 29, 2021, 03:24:03 PM
The thing that I don't understand, suppose we are like they think we are. The issue would take care of itself, there'd be no players for this bonehead DM's. The only time I ever hear about creepy stuff at the table is the male feminist.
The only "Bad Male GM's" you see imploding live on youtube or twitter are from the same SJW crowd as the women.
Normal people who came up in the hobby have the odd "GM horror story" that we wear as a badge of honor. But that Bad Behavior was typically sorted out when people were young, and normally adjusted gamers know what to look for so as not to associate with those people anymore.
But these SJW's have evidently been so coddled, sheltered, and indoctrinated; that even as adults they are unable to tell who the creepy guys are.
So...
Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 29, 2021, 10:24:13 AM
Quote from: Godfather Punk on March 29, 2021, 09:23:03 AM
Chapter 1, page 4 has a paragraph ("Be a Sensitive Dungeon Master") with some x-card type advice, not to stress your new players.
Apparently I'm a bad DM, because when playing a horror type scenario, I'm used to find out a player's phobias through out-of-game conversations, and then incorporating those triggers in game.
A very cursory flipping through the pages showed no specific side-bars; I'll give it a more in depth reading later tonight, or this week.
The tear-out map of Candlekeep is only printed one side. It's a nice image of the keeps' layout, in a classic clear drawing style, but I don't see much in-game use for it.
I swear, this crap is written under the assumption that DMs are obdurate, unperceptive morons with all the agency of a crappy AI. Like we can't work our game for the group with an understanding of what's acceptable versus what's not.
It is all projection.
They are really writing it for themselves and for their SJW crowd.
They just can't admit to themselves what their real-life experience is actually telling them: It is their own creepy male/gender-soy rainbow-hair fellow travelers who were expunged from normal gaming groups in their teens that are the bad apples they are writing about.
But to actually admit that would break their cognitive dissonance bubbles; So instead they project these experiences out as being a result of the toxic masculine phobe-ist influences that need to be purged from the hobby.
No dice.
Sorry kids,
normal gamers see this:
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hg8T-SXc54Q/XoqTRUPtFRI/AAAAAAAARFs/zHvxQ6GE1DkCmyBJtMEjoNllX2wtCK8FwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/stream_roll20_adam.png)
And we know to turn around and walk the fuck away.
It's your own dumb asses that don't know a creep when you see one, that then sit down at his table and act shocked! Shocked I say! When the inevitable happens...
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Dude you're going to give me nightmares now.
Quote from: horsesoldier on March 31, 2021, 09:28:46 AM
Dude you're going to give me nightmares now.
The sight of Koebel always made my skin crawl. Definite Reek of Wrongness about the fellow. Ironically the infraction for which he got Cancelled was pretty minor, or at least oblique.
Quote from: Pat on March 23, 2021, 01:58:13 PM
The discussion of deaf culture reminds me of a classic post from one of the earliest blogs
https://web.archive.org/web/20050308192859/http://www.misanthropic-bitch.com/deaf_as_i_wanna_be.html
Jesus christ that's a grim read.
Quote from: Jaeger on March 31, 2021, 12:05:56 AM
Quote from: horsesoldier on March 29, 2021, 03:24:03 PM
The thing that I don't understand, suppose we are like they think we are. The issue would take care of itself, there'd be no players for this bonehead DM's. The only time I ever hear about creepy stuff at the table is the male feminist.
The only "Bad Male GM's" you see imploding live on youtube or twitter are from the same SJW crowd as the women.
Normal people who came up in the hobby have the odd "GM horror story" that we wear as a badge of honor. But that Bad Behavior was typically sorted out when people were young, and normally adjusted gamers know what to look for so as not to associate with those people anymore.
But these SJW's have evidently been so coddled, sheltered, and indoctrinated; that even as adults they are unable to tell who the creepy guys are.
So...
Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 29, 2021, 10:24:13 AM
Quote from: Godfather Punk on March 29, 2021, 09:23:03 AM
Chapter 1, page 4 has a paragraph ("Be a Sensitive Dungeon Master") with some x-card type advice, not to stress your new players.
Apparently I'm a bad DM, because when playing a horror type scenario, I'm used to find out a player's phobias through out-of-game conversations, and then incorporating those triggers in game.
A very cursory flipping through the pages showed no specific side-bars; I'll give it a more in depth reading later tonight, or this week.
The tear-out map of Candlekeep is only printed one side. It's a nice image of the keeps' layout, in a classic clear drawing style, but I don't see much in-game use for it.
I swear, this crap is written under the assumption that DMs are obdurate, unperceptive morons with all the agency of a crappy AI. Like we can't work our game for the group with an understanding of what's acceptable versus what's not.
It is all projection.
They are really writing it for themselves and for their SJW crowd.
They just can't admit to themselves what their real-life experience is actually telling them: It is their own creepy male/gender-soy rainbow-hair fellow travelers who were expunged from normal gaming groups in their teens that are the bad apples they are writing about.
But to actually admit that would break their cognitive dissonance bubbles; So instead they project these experiences out as being a result of the toxic masculine phobe-ist influences that need to be purged from the hobby.
No dice.
Sorry kids, normal gamers see this:
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hg8T-SXc54Q/XoqTRUPtFRI/AAAAAAAARFs/zHvxQ6GE1DkCmyBJtMEjoNllX2wtCK8FwCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/stream_roll20_adam.png)
And we know to turn around and walk the fuck away.
It's your own dumb asses that don't know a creep when you see one, that then sit down at his table and act shocked! Shocked I say! When the inevitable happens...
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Yes....yes indeed.
Short-sighted nerds, Koebel is no creep. The guy was a valuable asset: his gaming advice useful and interesting. He was cancelled over dumb shit, and willingness to go along with that cancellation because of his stupid hair only puts you on the same side as the cancellers, for similarly petty reasons.
More importantly, has anyone read any of the Candlekeep book yet?
It was on my ToDo list, but I suddenly had to prepare a one-shot, so maybe next week.
Quote from: Godfather Punk on March 29, 2021, 09:23:03 AM
Chapter 1, page 4 has a paragraph ("Be a Sensitive Dungeon Master") with some x-card type advice, not to stress your new players.
Apparently I'm a bad DM, because when playing a horror type scenario, I'm used to find out a player's phobias through out-of-game conversations, and then incorporating those triggers in game.
You sound like my kind of dude and I would love that.
Quote from: Ghostmaker on March 29, 2021, 10:24:13 AM
Quote from: Godfather Punk on March 29, 2021, 09:23:03 AM
Chapter 1, page 4 has a paragraph ("Be a Sensitive Dungeon Master") with some x-card type advice, not to stress your new players.
Apparently I'm a bad DM, because when playing a horror type scenario, I'm used to find out a player's phobias through out-of-game conversations, and then incorporating those triggers in game.
A very cursory flipping through the pages showed no specific side-bars; I'll give it a more in depth reading later tonight, or this week.
The tear-out map of Candlekeep is only printed one side. It's a nice image of the keeps' layout, in a classic clear drawing style, but I don't see much in-game use for it.
I swear, this crap is written under the assumption that DMs are obdurate, unperceptive morons with all the agency of a crappy AI. Like we can't work our game for the group with an understanding of what's acceptable versus what's not.
Quite frankly, think about some of the people that "play" the game now. This group of tourists literally define themselves around victim-hood and trauma. Which, thats literally the worse thing you could do if you were actually trying to recover from trauma, define yourself by said trauma and constantly being on the lookout for "triggers." It's not that they don't think people can't read the room. They just approach everything from a ridiculous activist mindset. Its play theater. Having that kind of shit signals to everyone else that they are woke, empathetic, sympathetic
good people. You see it directly in the shit with Adam Koebel. In his lame ass apology for his "sin" he mentions about how he's going to work with an accountability partner to "work on this." It's all so mind numbing. This mindset literally rejects the idea that you are responsible for your own emotions and feelings, instead putting the onus on how others made you feel.
In a nutshell, that is why I think why Xcards and this bullshit exist. Its an ideological religion put into practice, I can't view it in any other light. It's clergy, priest, adherents, and repentance all rolled up into one.
Quote from: ZetaRidley on April 03, 2021, 03:29:56 PM
Quite frankly, think about some of the people that "play" the game now. This group of tourists literally define themselves around victim-hood and trauma. Which, thats literally the worse thing you could do if you were actually trying to recover from trauma, define yourself by said trauma and constantly being on the lookout for "triggers." It's not that they don't think people can't read the room. They just approach everything from a ridiculous activist mindset. Its play theater. Having that kind of shit signals to everyone else that they are woke, empathetic, sympathetic good people. You see it directly in the shit with Adam Koebel. In his lame ass apology for his "sin" he mentions about how he's going to work with an accountability partner to "work on this." It's all so mind numbing. This mindset literally rejects the idea that you are responsible for your own emotions and feelings, instead putting the onus on how others made you feel.
In a nutshell, that is why I think why Xcards and this bullshit exist. Its an ideological religion put into practice,...
It is what they put in place because of their rejection of 'Bigoted Western Christianity'.
They reject the Christian doctrine of Guilt and Sin, and instead have embraced a creed of Honor and Shame to enforce their new cultural mores and values.
Wikipedia lays this out good enough:
In a guilt society, control is maintained by creating and continually reinforcing the feeling of guilt (and the expectation of punishment now or in the afterlife) for certain condemned behaviors. The guilt world view focuses on law and punishment. A person in this type of culture may ask, "Is my behavior fair or unfair?" This type of culture emphasizes individual conscience.
In a shame society, the means of control is the inculcation of shame and the complementary threat of ostracism. The shame-honor worldview seeks an "honor balance" and can lead to revenge dynamics. A person in this type of culture may ask, "Shall I look ashamed if I do X?" or "How will people look at me if I do Y?" Shame cultures are typically based on the concepts of pride and honor; appearances are what count.
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Friend of mine has D&D Beyond and for reasons unknown to me got the Beyond version of Candlekeep Mysteries and let me have a glance through since I'd been curious how Beyond handled these books.
So far I am seeing no mention at all of wheelchairs or accessibility. I had them do a search through the book for wheelchair and and even accessible and turned up nada. And aside from that little "be sensetive GM" at the start and a comment on "gender identity" which might be a typo... So far seems rather clear of the usual one-offs.
Maybe it was cut from Beyond or maybe it was all about nothing? Weird. Will poke at it again next chance get.
Quote from: Omega on April 04, 2021, 08:02:50 PM
Friend of mine has D&D Beyond and for reasons unknown to me got the Beyond version of Candlekeep Mysteries and let me have a glance through since I'd been curious how Beyond handled these books.
So far I am seeing no mention at all of wheelchairs or accessibility. I had them do a search through the book for wheelchair and and even accessible and turned up nada. And aside from that little "be sensetive GM" at the start and a comment on "gender identity" which might be a typo... So far seems rather clear of the usual one-offs.
Maybe it was cut from Beyond or maybe it was all about nothing? Weird. Will poke at it again next chance get.
The adventure in question is called The Canopic Being. It does not one time mention wheelchairs, accessibility or anything like that. It's just a pyramid-like adventure, and it has ramps instead of stairs, which is pretty normal for pyramid-like locations. That's it. That's the "wheelchair-accessible adventure" in the book. They so DON'T hit you over the head with it that you have to go hunt down articles written by non-D&D sources to even find out that's what they're talking about.
Funny enough, one of the pictures in the adventure shows a temple at the beginning of the adventure which has a steep set of stairs.
(https://i.ibb.co/J2bX9Kc/15-003-house-of-the-all-seeing-orb.png)
Quote from: Omega on April 04, 2021, 08:02:50 PM
Friend of mine has D&D Beyond and for reasons unknown to me got the Beyond version of Candlekeep Mysteries and let me have a glance through since I'd been curious how Beyond handled these books.
So far I am seeing no mention at all of wheelchairs or accessibility. I had them do a search through the book for wheelchair and and even accessible and turned up nada. And aside from that little "be sensetive GM" at the start and a comment on "gender identity" which might be a typo... So far seems rather clear of the usual one-offs.
Maybe it was cut from Beyond or maybe it was all about nothing? Weird. Will poke at it again next chance get.
It only comes from the interview with the author as far as I know. That's because she's in a wheel chair and wanted an accessible dungeon. I can be a right wing snowflake sometimes but my first reaction was "hasn't anyone ever designed/played in a Yuan-ti ruin before?".
Thats how I played the Yuan-Ti and other serpent races.
Except their idea of "stairs" is a pillar up and down they can wind around. Totally not accessible even to humanoids without climbing gear and at a glance even easy to miss as being actual ways up or down.
As for the author of the adventure making it that way. That makes sense and means the book is actually fairly free of the usual woke-ness aside from those two little entries near the beginning. So far as I've seen at least.
Quote from: Omega on April 05, 2021, 04:03:16 AM
Except their idea of "stairs" is a pillar up and down they can wind around. Totally not accessible even to humanoids without climbing gear and at a glance even easy to miss as being actual ways up or down.
Holy shit. I'm so stealing this.
Quote from: KingCheops on April 05, 2021, 10:57:02 AM
Quote from: Omega on April 05, 2021, 04:03:16 AM
Except their idea of "stairs" is a pillar up and down they can wind around. Totally not accessible even to humanoids without climbing gear and at a glance even easy to miss as being actual ways up or down.
Holy shit. I'm so stealing this.
Same here. Damn, you'd think WOTC or TSR would've come up with that, considering the stuff with the beholders and their vertical-shaft corridors.
Not to criticize the artist with their diverse art there
But does nobody at Wizards remember the oil paintings? The ink art? Do they feel no shame?
Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 05, 2021, 01:45:02 PM
Quote from: KingCheops on April 05, 2021, 10:57:02 AM
Quote from: Omega on April 05, 2021, 04:03:16 AM
Except their idea of "stairs" is a pillar up and down they can wind around. Totally not accessible even to humanoids without climbing gear and at a glance even easy to miss as being actual ways up or down.
Holy shit. I'm so stealing this.
Same here. Damn, you'd think WOTC or TSR would've come up with that, considering the stuff with the beholders and their vertical-shaft corridors.
Yeah right? I feel so stupid never thinking of this.
I've read a couple of adventures and I really didn't find anything that triggered my wokedar.
On the other hand the lack of diversity in the biography of the contributors is quite disturbing. Only 'He-him-his' or 'She-she-her' in the text; not a single 'They'.
Come on WotC! You can do better...
Quote from: Mistwell on April 04, 2021, 08:53:50 PM
Funny enough, one of the pictures in the adventure shows a temple at the beginning of the adventure which has a steep set of stairs.
But the bald guy is wearing glasses, so there's some consideration for other types of impairment.
Right, stairs everywhere.
I was actually rather surprised there were no loading ramps mentioned. But with magic and a tensers disc I guess stairs are not a problem.
So in the end a storm in a thimble.
Quote from: Omega on April 06, 2021, 01:09:28 PM
So in the end a storm in a thimble.
Reminds me of the hubbub around 3E's
Book of Vile Darkness.
Wait? They weren't arguing about the movie???