This is a site for discussing roleplaying games. Have fun doing so, but there is one major rule: do not discuss political issues that aren't directly and uniquely related to the subject of the thread and about gaming. While this site is dedicated to free speech, the following will not be tolerated: devolving a thread into unrelated political discussion, sockpuppeting (using multiple and/or bogus accounts), disrupting topics without contributing to them, and posting images that could get someone fired in the workplace (an external link is OK, but clearly mark it as Not Safe For Work, or NSFW). If you receive a warning, please take it seriously and either move on to another topic or steer the discussion back to its original RPG-related theme.
NOTICE: Some online security services are reporting that information for a limited number of users from this site is for sale on the "dark web." As of right now, there is no direct evidence of this, but change your password just to be safe.

Author Topic: D&D 5e The Wheelchair Chronicles  (Read 3932 times)

ZetaRidley

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 51
    • View Profile
Re: D&D 5e The Wheelchair Chronicles
« Reply #75 on: April 03, 2021, 03:29:56 PM »
Chapter 1, page 4 has a paragraph ("Be a Sensitive Dungeon Master") with some x-card type advice, not to stress your new players.
Apparently I'm a bad DM, because when playing a horror type scenario, I'm used to find out a player's phobias through out-of-game conversations, and then incorporating those triggers in game.

You sound like my kind of dude and I would love that.

Chapter 1, page 4 has a paragraph ("Be a Sensitive Dungeon Master") with some x-card type advice, not to stress your new players.
Apparently I'm a bad DM, because when playing a horror type scenario, I'm used to find out a player's phobias through out-of-game conversations, and then incorporating those triggers in game.

A very cursory flipping through the pages showed no specific side-bars; I'll give it a more in depth reading later tonight, or this week.

The tear-out map of Candlekeep is only printed one side. It's a nice image of the keeps' layout, in a classic clear drawing style, but I don't see much in-game use for it.
I swear, this crap is written under the assumption that DMs are obdurate, unperceptive morons with all the agency of a crappy AI. Like we can't work our game for the group with an understanding of what's acceptable versus what's not.

Quite frankly, think about some of the people that "play" the game now. This group of tourists literally define themselves around victim-hood and trauma. Which, thats literally the worse thing you could do if you were actually trying to recover from trauma, define yourself by said trauma and constantly being on the lookout for "triggers."  It's not that they don't think people can't read the room. They just approach everything from a ridiculous activist mindset. Its play theater. Having that kind of shit signals to everyone else that they are woke, empathetic, sympathetic good people. You see it directly in the shit with Adam Koebel. In his lame ass apology for his "sin" he mentions about how he's going to work with an accountability partner to "work on this." It's all so mind numbing. This mindset literally rejects the idea that you are responsible for your own emotions and feelings, instead putting the onus on how others made you feel.

In a nutshell, that is why I think why Xcards and this bullshit exist. Its an ideological religion put into practice, I can't view it in any other light. It's clergy, priest, adherents, and repentance all rolled up into one.

Jaeger

  • That someone better.
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 736
    • View Profile
Re: D&D 5e The Wheelchair Chronicles
« Reply #76 on: April 03, 2021, 09:24:03 PM »
Quite frankly, think about some of the people that "play" the game now. This group of tourists literally define themselves around victim-hood and trauma. Which, thats literally the worse thing you could do if you were actually trying to recover from trauma, define yourself by said trauma and constantly being on the lookout for "triggers."  It's not that they don't think people can't read the room. They just approach everything from a ridiculous activist mindset. Its play theater. Having that kind of shit signals to everyone else that they are woke, empathetic, sympathetic good people. You see it directly in the shit with Adam Koebel. In his lame ass apology for his "sin" he mentions about how he's going to work with an accountability partner to "work on this." It's all so mind numbing. This mindset literally rejects the idea that you are responsible for your own emotions and feelings, instead putting the onus on how others made you feel.

In a nutshell, that is why I think why Xcards and this bullshit exist. Its an ideological religion put into practice,...

It is what they put in place because of their rejection of 'Bigoted Western Christianity'. 

They reject the Christian doctrine of Guilt and Sin, and instead have embraced a creed of Honor and Shame to enforce their new cultural mores and values.

Wikipedia lays this out good enough:

In a guilt society, control is maintained by creating and continually reinforcing the feeling of guilt (and the expectation of punishment now or in the afterlife) for certain condemned behaviors. The guilt world view focuses on law and punishment. A person in this type of culture may ask, "Is my behavior fair or unfair?" This type of culture emphasizes individual conscience.

In a shame society, the means of control is the inculcation of shame and the complementary threat of ostracism. The shame-honor worldview seeks an "honor balance" and can lead to revenge dynamics. A person in this type of culture may ask, "Shall I look ashamed if I do X?" or "How will people look at me if I do Y?" Shame cultures are typically based on the concepts of pride and honor; appearances are what count.

.
« Last Edit: April 03, 2021, 09:30:49 PM by Jaeger »
"The envious are not satisfied with equality; they secretly yearn for superiority and revenge."

https://hereistheevidence.com/
Join Date: October 11, 2006

Omega

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • O
  • Posts: 14828
    • View Profile
Re: D&D 5e The Wheelchair Chronicles
« Reply #77 on: April 04, 2021, 08:02:50 PM »
Friend of mine has D&D Beyond and for reasons unknown to me got the Beyond version of Candlekeep Mysteries and let me have a glance through since I'd been curious how Beyond handled these books.

So far I am seeing no mention at all of wheelchairs or accessibility. I had them do a search through the book for wheelchair and and even accessible and turned up nada. And aside from that little "be sensetive GM" at the start and a comment on "gender identity" which might be a typo... So far seems rather clear of the usual one-offs.

Maybe it was cut from Beyond or maybe it was all about nothing? Weird. Will poke at it again next chance get.

Mistwell

  • Smarter than Arduin
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3608
    • View Profile
Re: D&D 5e The Wheelchair Chronicles
« Reply #78 on: April 04, 2021, 08:53:50 PM »
Friend of mine has D&D Beyond and for reasons unknown to me got the Beyond version of Candlekeep Mysteries and let me have a glance through since I'd been curious how Beyond handled these books.

So far I am seeing no mention at all of wheelchairs or accessibility. I had them do a search through the book for wheelchair and and even accessible and turned up nada. And aside from that little "be sensetive GM" at the start and a comment on "gender identity" which might be a typo... So far seems rather clear of the usual one-offs.

Maybe it was cut from Beyond or maybe it was all about nothing? Weird. Will poke at it again next chance get.

The adventure in question is called The Canopic Being. It does not one time mention wheelchairs, accessibility or anything like that. It's just a pyramid-like adventure, and it has ramps instead of stairs, which is pretty normal for pyramid-like locations. That's it. That's the "wheelchair-accessible adventure" in the book. They so DON'T hit you over the head with it that you have to go hunt down articles written by non-D&D sources to even find out that's what they're talking about.

Funny enough, one of the pictures in the adventure shows a temple at the beginning of the adventure which has a steep set of stairs.

« Last Edit: April 04, 2021, 09:36:40 PM by Mistwell »

KingCheops

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • K
  • Posts: 1007
    • View Profile
Re: D&D 5e The Wheelchair Chronicles
« Reply #79 on: April 04, 2021, 09:04:56 PM »
Friend of mine has D&D Beyond and for reasons unknown to me got the Beyond version of Candlekeep Mysteries and let me have a glance through since I'd been curious how Beyond handled these books.

So far I am seeing no mention at all of wheelchairs or accessibility. I had them do a search through the book for wheelchair and and even accessible and turned up nada. And aside from that little "be sensetive GM" at the start and a comment on "gender identity" which might be a typo... So far seems rather clear of the usual one-offs.

Maybe it was cut from Beyond or maybe it was all about nothing? Weird. Will poke at it again next chance get.

It only comes from the interview with the author as far as I know.  That's because she's in a wheel chair and wanted an accessible dungeon.  I can be a right wing snowflake sometimes but my first reaction was "hasn't anyone ever designed/played in a Yuan-ti ruin before?".

Omega

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • O
  • Posts: 14828
    • View Profile
Re: D&D 5e The Wheelchair Chronicles
« Reply #80 on: April 05, 2021, 04:03:16 AM »
Thats how I played the Yuan-Ti and other serpent races.

Except their idea of "stairs" is a pillar up and down they can wind around. Totally not accessible even to humanoids without climbing gear and at a glance even easy to miss as being actual ways up or down.

As for the author of the adventure making it that way. That makes sense and means the book is actually fairly free of the usual woke-ness aside from those two little entries near the beginning. So far as I've seen at least.

KingCheops

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • K
  • Posts: 1007
    • View Profile
Re: D&D 5e The Wheelchair Chronicles
« Reply #81 on: April 05, 2021, 10:57:02 AM »
Except their idea of "stairs" is a pillar up and down they can wind around. Totally not accessible even to humanoids without climbing gear and at a glance even easy to miss as being actual ways up or down.

Holy shit.  I'm so stealing this.

Ghostmaker

  • Chlorine trifluoride
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1360
    • View Profile
Re: D&D 5e The Wheelchair Chronicles
« Reply #82 on: April 05, 2021, 01:45:02 PM »
Except their idea of "stairs" is a pillar up and down they can wind around. Totally not accessible even to humanoids without climbing gear and at a glance even easy to miss as being actual ways up or down.

Holy shit.  I'm so stealing this.
Same here. Damn, you'd think WOTC or TSR would've come up with that, considering the stuff with the beholders and their vertical-shaft corridors.

horsesoldier

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • h
  • Posts: 86
    • View Profile
Re: D&D 5e The Wheelchair Chronicles
« Reply #83 on: April 05, 2021, 02:06:29 PM »
Not to criticize the artist with their diverse art there

But does nobody at Wizards remember the oil paintings? The ink art? Do they feel no shame?

KingCheops

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • K
  • Posts: 1007
    • View Profile
Re: D&D 5e The Wheelchair Chronicles
« Reply #84 on: April 05, 2021, 03:20:20 PM »
Except their idea of "stairs" is a pillar up and down they can wind around. Totally not accessible even to humanoids without climbing gear and at a glance even easy to miss as being actual ways up or down.

Holy shit.  I'm so stealing this.
Same here. Damn, you'd think WOTC or TSR would've come up with that, considering the stuff with the beholders and their vertical-shaft corridors.

Yeah right?  I feel so stupid never thinking of this.

Godfather Punk

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 225
  • Oh dear, how sad, nevermind
    • View Profile
Re: D&D 5e The Wheelchair Chronicles
« Reply #85 on: April 06, 2021, 08:32:16 AM »
I've read a couple of adventures and I really didn't find anything that triggered my wokedar.

On the other hand the lack of diversity in the biography of the contributors is quite disturbing. Only 'He-him-his' or 'She-she-her' in the text; not a single 'They'.
Come on WotC! You can do better...

Funny enough, one of the pictures in the adventure shows a temple at the beginning of the adventure which has a steep set of stairs.
But the bald guy is wearing glasses, so there's some consideration for other types of impairment.
« Last Edit: April 06, 2021, 08:36:11 AM by Godfather Punk »

Omega

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • O
  • Posts: 14828
    • View Profile
Re: D&D 5e The Wheelchair Chronicles
« Reply #86 on: April 06, 2021, 01:09:28 PM »
Right, stairs everywhere.

I was actually rather surprised there were no loading ramps mentioned. But with magic and a tensers disc I guess stairs are not a problem.

So in the end a storm in a thimble.

Kanyenya

  • Newbie
  • *
  • K
  • Posts: 5
    • View Profile
Re: D&D 5e The Wheelchair Chronicles
« Reply #87 on: April 06, 2021, 09:10:30 PM »
So in the end a storm in a thimble.

Reminds me of the hubbub around 3E's Book of Vile Darkness.

Omega

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • O
  • Posts: 14828
    • View Profile
Re: D&D 5e The Wheelchair Chronicles
« Reply #88 on: April 09, 2021, 05:54:06 AM »
Wait? They weren't arguing about the movie???