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Author Topic: D&D 5e The Wheelchair Chronicles  (Read 4022 times)

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Re: D&D 5e The Wheelchair Chronicles
« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2021, 03:42:03 PM »
Depressingly, it seems the writer is accurate. Magic Circle and Protection from Good and Evil no longer target alignment, but certain creature types.

I mean, the latter spell is called 'protection from good and evil', but the spell text states:

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Until the spell ends, one willing creature you touch is protected against certain types of creatures: aberrations, celestials, elementals, fey, fiends, and undead.

Might as well have called it 'protection from abnormal critters'.

And Jeremy Crawford, that great rules sage, has been very vocal in saying that the title has no bearing on the spell/ability, even when the text doesn't clear up what the ambiguity is.
Then Jeremy Crawford is an imbecile, and should be under supervision lest he hurt himself by playing with those scissors with the rounded tips.


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Re: D&D 5e The Wheelchair Chronicles
« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2021, 03:43:26 PM »
Instead you could point out an Ice Devil’s penchant for leadership or a rakshasa’s cunning plans.


This writer is a moron.

Agreed. That alignment, for example, also gives an idea for the kind of social order a creature aims to does seem to be a too complex subject to him.
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It's a great short hand and that's why alignment has stuck around for so long. " Rakshasas are a race of malevolent spirits encased in flesh that hunt and torment humanity. No one knows where these creatures originate; some say they are the embodiment of nightmares. "

Yeah but these creatures of pure malevolence that exist to torment humanity? It would be wrong to assume they're evil!

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Re: D&D 5e The Wheelchair Chronicles
« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2021, 07:46:38 AM »
From what I've seen, Daniel Kwan's adventure is a cheap knock off of a cheap knock off (Kill Bill) of asian culture.


After all the fuss he made about Oriental Adventures you'd think he'd have put in a bit more effort. Then again, given the obvious lack of originality and writing talent in most of these sensitivity readers, it's not too surprising.

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Re: D&D 5e The Wheelchair Chronicles
« Reply #33 on: March 19, 2021, 09:43:46 AM »
You know, I guess it's either a good or a bad thing that RPG writing pays so little. Good in that absolute hacks like Kwan aren't getting rich; bad in that absolute hacks like Kwan are making any money at all.


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Re: D&D 5e The Wheelchair Chronicles
« Reply #34 on: March 19, 2021, 11:12:55 AM »
You know, I guess it's either a good or a bad thing that RPG writing pays so little. Good in that absolute hacks like Kwan aren't getting rich; bad in that absolute hacks like Kwan are making any money at all.

I think you are slandering hack writers by giving Kwan too much credit.
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Re: D&D 5e The Wheelchair Chronicles
« Reply #35 on: March 19, 2021, 01:35:40 PM »
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Instead you could point out an Ice Devil’s penchant for leadership or a rakshasa’s cunning plans.


This writer is a moron.

Agreed. That alignment, for example, also gives an idea for the kind of social order a creature aims to does seem to be a too complex subject to him.

It's a great short hand and that's why alignment has stuck around for so long. " Rakshasas are a race of malevolent spirits encased in flesh that hunt and torment humanity. No one knows where these creatures originate; some say they are the embodiment of nightmares. "

Yeah but these creatures of pure malevolence that exist to torment humanity? It would be wrong to assume they're evil!

I mean, he's not wrong that alignment is typically simplified to the point of being uninformative beyond "kill or do not kill." For example, Robin Hood is commonly touted as Chaotic Good, when in fact he's actually pretty orderly in behavior and is just not respecting laws that he finds unjust. You could say more accurately that he is Orderly Lawless Good: his behavior is orderly, he doesn't respect the law of the land, and he doesn't respect it because he thinks it is unjust/evil. That's not an SJW argument: 3pp to add alignment axes are old.

Alignment just isn't useful for what D&D tries to use it for, because it was never written for that in the first place. Moorcock used it for a cosmic conflict, not individual behaviors. For characters, you'd be better off using actual codes of behavior.

But I digress.

Also, please make sure that your quotes are formatted correctly.

From what I've seen, Daniel Kwan's adventure is a cheap knock off of a cheap knock off (Kill Bill) of asian culture.
After all the fuss he made about Oriental Adventures you'd think he'd have put in a bit more effort. Then again, given the obvious lack of originality and writing talent in most of these sensitivity readers, it's not too surprising.
Hypocrisy, grifting... this is textbook behavior for these types. These... Americans. Only an American would pull the cultural appropriation he does without a hint of irony.

Newsflash: white people having almond-shaped eyes doesn't give them the qualifications to be sensitivity readers and cultural consultants for all cultures past and present who were composed of people who looked vaguely like them. Same deal for everyone else.

If you want insight into (for example) Chinese fantasy fiction, then watch a fantasy C-Drama or read a Wuxia, Xianxia, or Xuanhuan novel. You know, stuff made by Chinese people.

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Re: D&D 5e The Wheelchair Chronicles
« Reply #36 on: March 19, 2021, 02:28:34 PM »
I will haphazardly format quotes however I like, thank you very much. I saw it was messed up, I just don't care enough to fix it. And now that we're several quotes deep it really isn't worth the work.

Alignment doesn't need to predict behavior. It is used to indicate behavior. It's a shorthand. A hobgoblin being LE, an orc being CE and a Kenku being N--that's all useful information. I can, with a reminder that a party of Kenku foragers the players encounter by seeing their alignment, be able to reasonably model their behavior without re-reading their entire entry.

So if alignment is used as a "kill or not kill" that's on you. I use it all of the time when playing D&D. The various players I've had, they all at one point or another use their alignment or the alignment of another as a motivation to do something.

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« Reply #37 on: March 19, 2021, 02:32:40 PM »
Through a quirk of social connections I have a fair number of deaf friends and acquaintances, and yes, it's an issue.  I didn't really see outrage, but it's not universally regarded as a good idea either.  There's a deaf culture, and that goes away if they're no longer deaf.  Also some feel just fine the way they are and think kids should be adults before deciding about a cochlear implant so they can make a responsible decision.  I think it's a no-brainer to get the implant, but obviously, everyone has their own values.

That makes more sense. Its not outrage or telling people they should accept being handicapped. Just caution to think on surgery before taking the plunge. And I can guess why too. Any sort of surgery might impair what little you have left, if any. Or make difficult to impossible any later and more effective cures.

And totally understand people being comfortable with how they are and seeing a cure as practically redundant. But this often overlooks that the rest of us may not be experiencing this in a way thats acceptable. I sure am not. I'd love to have a cure. But so far none exists for my particular type of additional problem.

I think some reasonably dont want a cure because its not really a cure. Just a patch that fixes some problems but not all. I know several people with depression problems who would kill for a cure. But really do not like current medications as they bring very often their own issues. A patch rather than a cure.

Also very good points. I always weigh the risks of any surgery or new medication.

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Re: D&D 5e The Wheelchair Chronicles
« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2021, 02:39:17 PM »
I will haphazardly format quotes however I like, thank you very much. I saw it was messed up, I just don't care enough to fix it. And now that we're several quotes deep it really isn't worth the work.

Alignment doesn't need to predict behavior. It is used to indicate behavior. It's a shorthand. A hobgoblin being LE, an orc being CE and a Kenku being N--that's all useful information. I can, with a reminder that a party of Kenku foragers the players encounter by seeing their alignment, be able to reasonably model their behavior without re-reading their entire entry.

So if alignment is used as a "kill or not kill" that's on you. I use it all of the time when playing D&D. The various players I've had, they all at one point or another use their alignment or the alignment of another as a motivation to do something.

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Good stuff, Horsesoldier!

I agree very much.

I don't really get the hysterical opposition to alignment. The laborious pontificating about how terribly limited and restrictive alignment is, and so on.

I've always viewed--and used--alignment as a one sentence expression of the person, character, or creature's personality, goals, philosophy, and general world view.

The application of alignment for whatever individual is then quite flexible, and interesting in many ways, applying more so in some ways or less so in other ways, as deemed appropriate by the DM.

The variety in approaches is endless, and alignment has always been very useful, and as a quick line to read, absolutely convenient in providing a quick foundation for the creature's personality, morals, values, goals, and approach to life.

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Re: D&D 5e The Wheelchair Chronicles
« Reply #39 on: March 19, 2021, 02:45:35 PM »
Instead you could point out an Ice Devil’s penchant for leadership or a rakshasa’s cunning plans.


This writer is a moron.

Agreed. That alignment, for example, also gives an idea for the kind of social order a creature aims to does seem to be a too complex subject to him.

It's a great short hand and that's why alignment has stuck around for so long. " Rakshasas are a race of malevolent spirits encased in flesh that hunt and torment humanity. No one knows where these creatures originate; some say they are the embodiment of nightmares. "

Yeah but these creatures of pure malevolence that exist to torment humanity? It would be wrong to assume they're evil!
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Exactly! I worked with a very devout Hindu (great guy btw) and once mentioned raksashas because of a game I was running and he freaked out and asked me how I knew of them and how I shouldn't speak of them. Same deal with a Muslim guy and djinn.

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Re: D&D 5e The Wheelchair Chronicles
« Reply #40 on: March 19, 2021, 02:46:59 PM »
From what I've seen, Daniel Kwan's adventure is a cheap knock off of a cheap knock off (Kill Bill) of asian culture.


After all the fuss he made about Oriental Adventures you'd think he'd have put in a bit more effort. Then again, given the obvious lack of originality and writing talent in most of these sensitivity readers, it's not too surprising.

What? Low effort rip off content from an SJW? Who would have expected that?

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« Reply #41 on: March 19, 2021, 02:54:48 PM »
These people pushing that alignment means nothing are the same people that fling the word "Nazi" around like mad and insist that these "Nazis" are irredeemably evil and need to be purged from society for their crimes of disagreeing with them, you know... a totally accurate portrayal of real Nazis.

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« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2021, 03:11:31 PM »
These people pushing that alignment means nothing are the same people that fling the word "Nazi" around like mad and insist that these "Nazis" are irredeemably evil and need to be purged from society for their crimes of disagreeing with them, you know... a totally accurate portrayal of real Nazis.

Those folks reject the concept of morality as anything other than what allows them to indulge themselves without accountability. Alignment smells enough like a system of objective morality that it is to them like a crucifix is to a vampire - wait, they already did away with that, too.

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« Reply #43 on: March 19, 2021, 03:16:43 PM »

Those folks reject the concept of morality as anything other than what allows them to indulge themselves without accountability. Alignment smells enough like a system of objective morality that it is to them like a crucifix is to a vampire - wait, they already did away with that, too.

That's why I hate them so much. Everything they espouse to believe is made up of lies and misinformation. Reality is what they say it is and it changes on a whim. If you've ever known a schizophrenic you'll notice the great similarities in behaviour.

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Re: D&D 5e The Wheelchair Chronicles
« Reply #44 on: March 19, 2021, 04:28:43 PM »
From what I've seen, Daniel Kwan's adventure is a cheap knock off of a cheap knock off (Kill Bill) of asian culture.
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After all the fuss he made about Oriental Adventures you'd think he'd have put in a bit more effort. Then again, given the obvious lack of originality and writing talent in most of these sensitivity readers, it's not too surprising.

I still don't understand how the Monk class has gotten a pass from him.

Everything he said about Oriental Adventures also applies to the Monk character class.

IMHO cancelling an entire character class would be a real achievement!

They need to aim higher.

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