Quote from: Shasarak on December 22, 2020, 06:13:54 PM

Quote from: VisionStorm on December 22, 2020, 05:05:40 PM
Taking20 DESTROYS Pathfinder 2e/Proves 5e is Better*!

I tries to listen but could not get past how brilliant his game group is really if you get to know them.

Yeah, but that's everybody's game group though. Whether it is actually true or not.

Quote from: Jaeger on December 22, 2020, 06:18:55 PM

Yeah, but that's everybody's game group though. Whether it is actually true or not.

It is pretty much the DM version of "let me tell you about my character" level of cringe.

So who has time to listen to a pompous jackass spout off for 50 fucking minutes?

Seriously what is it with these youtubers and their ridiculousness longwindedness?

I really enjoyed the 1st Bestiary for PF 1E, the Monster Codex, NPC Codex, etc.  The Advanced Player's Guide, and Gamemastery Guide, as well.

Then the approach with PF 2E was; let's change the game and make it non-compatible with 1E, and reprint everything.

Uh...... I'll pass on that BS.

Quote from: TJS on December 22, 2020, 07:35:29 PM
So who has time to listen to a pompous jackass spout off for 50 fucking minutes?

Seriously what is it with these youtubers and their ridiculousness longwindedness?

The ones I'm totally enamored with are the ones who spend the first five minutes telling us what's going on in their personal lives... as if I could possibly give a shit what their little booger machines are doing in school or camp or juvie or where ever.

Quote from: TJS on December 22, 2020, 07:35:29 PM
So who has time to listen to a pompous jackass spout off for 50 fucking minutes?

Seriously what is it with these youtubers and their ridiculousness longwindedness?

I always make time for Pundit.

You meant Pundit. Right?

Greetings!

Well, the guy who has left Pathfinder 2 and made the video does have a strong argument about how the mechanics *push* you to build a character, and I can definitely see the implied *rotation* of abilities that should be proceeded with for otherwise optimal mechanical results and performance.

I know all about character class "Rotations" from years playing World of Warcraft.

However, since D&D and its derivatives are tabletop roleplaying games--and people are not going into some uber *Raid* where every point of DPS is often of primary importance--I see many players just selecting feats and such often on their conceptualization of their character, regardless of any perceived mechanical benefits. A Ranger character for example, otherwise an archer, taking some feat to expand their healing abilities, or some specialized Knowledge-related feat that allows the character additional languages and cultural knowledge benefits--certainly may not be *mechanically optimal*--but fit right in with the character's background or current experiences and vision. That is perfectly acceptable, and who the hell cares if that character's "build" isn't somehow "mechanically optimal"? That is part of what makes tabletop RPG's fun--is creating and playing a character that is immersed in a fantastic world. Mechanical game considerations can often detract from such a goal in huge ways.

He isn't wrong though in how Pathfinder--and 3E before it--pushed character development to adopt such builds and rotations though. There is or can be a definite dynamic there. I can see how such a dynamic could make many such characters over time feel more and more like "cookie cutters" with set rotations and such--but that is why it is important to be able to embrace a broader view of character development, and just develop a particular character how you want, that matches how you envision the character's background and current development.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Shasarak on December 22, 2020, 06:53:33 PM

Quote from: Jaeger on December 22, 2020, 06:18:55 PM

Yeah, but that's everybody's game group though. Whether it is actually true or not.

It is pretty much the DM version of "let me tell you about my character" level of cringe.

He only did that because critics were calling his players stupid power gamers.  He was merely defending his players.

Quote from: Snowman0147 on December 23, 2020, 01:17:57 AM

Quote from: Shasarak on December 22, 2020, 06:53:33 PM

Quote from: Jaeger on December 22, 2020, 06:18:55 PM

Yeah, but that's everybody's game group though. Whether it is actually true or not.

It is pretty much the DM version of "let me tell you about my character" level of cringe.

He only did that because critics were calling his players stupid power gamers.  He was merely defending his players.

His "optimal" players got TPK'd.  Thats not optimal so I would agree that they do not seem to be power gamers.

Quote from: TJS on December 22, 2020, 07:35:29 PM
So who has time to listen to a pompous jackass spout off for 50 fucking minutes?

Seriously what is it with these youtubers and their ridiculousness longwindedness?

I put videos on as background audio while I'm doing other things on the computer.
I had to turn this one off halfway through. His droning on about builds and bonuses was putting me to sleep.