Quote from: Reckall on July 13, 2022, 08:21:24 AM

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on July 12, 2022, 08:18:00 PM
Whatever. The guy, Esther W @dungeonminister, is toxic.

The only ban reason I agree with TBP is "press conferencing".

My reading of this whole situation, is that this dude Esther W @dungeonminister (or whatever their name is), is trying to cynically get their own mentorship place (experiences of a XYZ when engaging with game designers or whatever) or just general publicity.

I bet he's fun at parties as well. Can you imagine a game run by him? Geez.

Quote from: Visitor Q on July 15, 2022, 03:04:26 AM

Quote from: Reckall on July 13, 2022, 08:21:24 AM

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll on July 12, 2022, 08:18:00 PM
Whatever. The guy, Esther W @dungeonminister, is toxic.

The only ban reason I agree with TBP is "press conferencing".

My reading of this whole situation, is that this dude Esther W @dungeonminister (or whatever their name is), is trying to cynically get their own mentorship place (experiences of a XYZ when engaging with game designers or whatever) or just general publicity.

I bet he's fun at parties as well. Can you imagine a game run by him? Geez.

  Any game run by someone who is going to launch into listing their disabilities, medications they are on, preferred pronouns, and spiritual advice during their introduction would have to be a once in a lifetime experience, like gall bladder removal. 

Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 11:36:15 PM
Tubesock, still waiting for that rebuttal.

Enjoy waiting. You're unwilling - or unable - to support your claims, so I see no reason to take you any more seriously than the /b/tard.

Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 15, 2022, 08:21:20 AM

Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 11:36:15 PM
Tubesock, still waiting for that rebuttal.

Enjoy waiting. You're unwilling - or unable - to support your claims, so I see no reason to take you any more seriously than the /b/tard.

Please follow my advice

Quote from: oggsmash on July 15, 2022, 06:15:01 AM
Any game run by someone who is going to launch into listing their disabilities, medications they are on, preferred pronouns, and spiritual advice during their introduction would have to be a once in a lifetime experience, like gall bladder removal.

"I want to run a game of D&D."
"Okay."
"But I think before starting I need to list my disabilities, medications I'm on, preferred pronouns, and offer some spiritual advice."
"Okay, stop.  Imagine you're out in public talking with real people."
"That's scary."
"I know, but this is what you call a 'safe space'.  So just pretend."
"Okay, but if I start to hyperventilate...."
"Don't worry.  See, at some point in your prepared introductions, everyone around you is either backing away or trying to offer you their pity."
"I thrive on pity!"
"Exactly.  But the only people who'll give it to you want it back."
"Are those friends?"
"Depends.  If your friends said something you disagreed with politically?"
"Is it a big thing or a little thing?"
"Well, be honest with me, does it really matter?"
"... I guess not."
"So, how do you handle disagreement?"
"I shun them and retreat to my safe space!  And then try to tell everyone how 'we need to discuss' that person."
"Right, and we haven't even gotten to rolling dice for making characters yet."

At some point you realize it's less about playing the game for these people and more about getting attention.

Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 15, 2022, 08:21:20 AM

Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 11:36:15 PM
Tubesock, still waiting for that rebuttal.

Enjoy waiting. You're unwilling - or unable - to support your claims, so I see no reason to take you any more seriously than the /b/tard.

I accept your concession.

Quote from: drayakir on July 15, 2022, 10:58:31 AM

Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 15, 2022, 08:21:20 AM

Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 11:36:15 PM
Tubesock, still waiting for that rebuttal.

Enjoy waiting. You're unwilling - or unable - to support your claims, so I see no reason to take you any more seriously than the /b/tard.

I accept your concession.

It's what he's best at. Conceding, and running a concession stand

Quote from: Habitual Gamer on July 15, 2022, 08:46:41 AM

Quote from: oggsmash on July 15, 2022, 06:15:01 AM
Any game run by someone who is going to launch into listing their disabilities, medications they are on, preferred pronouns, and spiritual advice during their introduction would have to be a once in a lifetime experience, like gall bladder removal.

"I want to run a game of D&D."
"Okay."
"But I think before starting I need to list my disabilities, medications I'm on, preferred pronouns, and offer some spiritual advice."
"Okay, stop.  Imagine you're out in public talking with real people."
"That's scary."
"I know, but this is what you call a 'safe space'.  So just pretend."
"Okay, but if I start to hyperventilate...."
"Don't worry.  See, at some point in your prepared introductions, everyone around you is either backing away or trying to offer you their pity."
"I thrive on pity!"
"Exactly.  But the only people who'll give it to you want it back."
"Are those friends?"
"Depends.  If your friends said something you disagreed with politically?"
"Is it a big thing or a little thing?"
"Well, be honest with me, does it really matter?"
"... I guess not."
"So, how do you handle disagreement?"
"I shun them and retreat to my safe space!  And then try to tell everyone how 'we need to discuss' that person."
"Right, and we haven't even gotten to rolling dice for making characters yet."

At some point you realize it's less about playing the game for these people and more about getting attention.

Lmao hard to believe this is real. What's strange about gaming in general is that it seems people who game are more inclined to have some sort real life struggles compared to average person who isn't into gaming. Like I game because of the story and entertainment, that's what I thought gaming was about. Ever since WoW came out I learned there's all sorts of reasons people game, and interacting with strangers on the internet is more often a negative experience than a memorable positive thing.

Quote from: drayakir on July 15, 2022, 10:58:31 AM

Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 15, 2022, 08:21:20 AM

Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 11:36:15 PM
Tubesock, still waiting for that rebuttal.

Enjoy waiting. You're unwilling - or unable - to support your claims, so I see no reason to take you any more seriously than the /b/tard.

I accept your concession.

Perhaps you should try accepting reality first.

Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 15, 2022, 12:19:28 PM

Quote from: drayakir on July 15, 2022, 10:58:31 AM

Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 15, 2022, 08:21:20 AM

Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 11:36:15 PM
Tubesock, still waiting for that rebuttal.

Enjoy waiting. You're unwilling - or unable - to support your claims, so I see no reason to take you any more seriously than the /b/tard.

I accept your concession.

Perhaps you should try accepting reality first.

That you don't have an argument and when you get called out on it, you start making unreasonable demands and ignoring people/blocking them, then hooting about how other's can't handle reality? That's rich of you, considering you fellate Daniel Fox daily. Maybe try being objective or providing sources to your claims. Ta.

Quote from: drayakir on July 15, 2022, 12:31:13 PM
That you don't have an argument and when you get called out on it, you start making unreasonable demands and ignoring people/blocking them, then hooting about how other's can't handle reality? That's rich of you, considering you fellate Daniel Fox daily. Maybe try being objective or providing sources to your claims. Ta.

Did you happen to find your proof that Daniel Fox is a plagiarist, BTW, or you are too busy projecting? Because I do not have enough facts to express an opinion of Fox or even Tubesock Army, but I see you not "providing sources to your claims" (even worse: actively not wanting to) right here:

Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 07:57:53 PM

Oh no no no. It's on you to disprove me. You take the time to dig it up - I have better things to do than to read plagiarism committed by a hack.

I'll repeat what I already said: the burden of proof is on the accuser. Do you have proof that Fox is a plagiarist? Put up or shut up and stop patronising others - because you just lost the moral ground to do it.

Quote from: FelixGamingX1 on July 15, 2022, 12:10:27 PM
What's strange about gaming in general is that it seems people who game are more inclined to have some sort real life struggles compared to average person who isn't into gaming.

It actually makes a little bit of sense.

Say you're transgender (or transracial, or a furry, or a reincarnated elf or whatever).  RPGs let you pretend you're the thing you feel like, as a kind of practice run (at least that's my theory).  Now this isn't universal of course; just because I play an elf (or a squid, or a person of the opposite gender) doesn't mean I secretly think I'm that. 

Or say you have poor social skills.  RPGs teach teamwork, turn taking, time commitments, and other stuff.  There's even a game specifically designed to help teach autistic kids these skills in an educational environment (Critical Core).

Plus, I've known gamers who lacked the physical capability for most other hobbies (can't walk, lack fine motor skills, etc.).

Then you get to the idea that the Venn diagram of these three issues (identity confusion, poor social skills, physical problems) has an oddly high amount of overlap (not totally overlapping, but still statistically significant*) and it becomes a "duh" moment as to why games might appeal to certain (overlapping) groups of people.

Of course, this is all just my theory.

(*I know there is a wide range of physical issues that tend to be more common among the autistic community (muscle weakness, dietary restrictions/deficiencies, sleep disorders, etc.).  Transgenderism is also often cited as higher among the autistic population than among neurotypicals, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's eventually determined that a good chunk of that came from transgendered people who self-diagnosed as autistic, and autism is no more or less common among the transgender population than any other.)

Okay, Gayakweer, lemme show you how this works.

I'll make an accusation:
"Venger Satanis is a plagiarist."

Pretty bold claim, right? Indeed it is. Now, I'll back that up with evidence. Anyone who opens Google and searches the following phrase:

venger satanis plagiarism cult of cthulhu

...will see as the first result a blog post from 2007, in which passages from Venger's "Cult of Cthulhu" book, and Identical Wikipedia entries, are shown side-by-side. All of this info is independently verifiable, by going to Wikipedia's "changes" page for the article in question, and seeing for yourself. In addition, the author has kindly catalogued all of his interactions with Venger, including Venger's eventual admission that, yes, he did indeed take the info in question from the WIkipedia article, as accused.

(Note: I am not linking the blog directly, as it has Venger's real name. This isn't "doxxing", because Venger's name is well-known, and also listed on his Kickstarter profile, along with his location, so, none of this is "secret" or "doxxing", but I have chosen not to directly link it out of respect for Venger's apparent wishes that it not be repeated)

And, finally, I will add some screenshots of the info, even though I have already instructed others as to where they may find it.







And that, my slow-witted friend, is plagiarism, accusation and proof.

Enjoy being on my block list. Imagine, getting blocked by me, lmao.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 15, 2022, 11:43:42 AM

It's what he's best at. Conceding, and running a concession stand

Except, hard for me to believe, but Tubesock is actually correct in this instance.

What drayakir said about Daniel (As repugnant of a person as he is) amounts to Defamation.   If Daniel were to take drayakir to court and sue him, it would be on drayakir's legal team to prove that Daniel plagiarized which others have said they have read Fox's material and it is not word for word plagiarized.

drayakir, not knowing how the law works doesn't understand its up to the accuser to prove what he is claiming is correct.   According to people who have read it (which i do not think drayakir has) it is not plagiarized.   When asked to back up his claims, drayakir cannot.

Quote from: Reckall on July 15, 2022, 12:59:56 PM

Quote from: drayakir on July 15, 2022, 12:31:13 PM
That you don't have an argument and when you get called out on it, you start making unreasonable demands and ignoring people/blocking them, then hooting about how other's can't handle reality? That's rich of you, considering you fellate Daniel Fox daily. Maybe try being objective or providing sources to your claims. Ta.

Did you happen to find your proof that Daniel Fox is a plagiarist, BTW, or you are too busy projecting? Because I do not have enough facts to express an opinion of Fox or even Tubesock Army, but I see you not "providing sources to your claims" (even worse: actively not wanting to) right here:

Quote from: drayakir on July 14, 2022, 07:57:53 PM

Oh no no no. It's on you to disprove me. You take the time to dig it up - I have better things to do than to read plagiarism committed by a hack.

I'll repeat what I already said: the burden of proof is on the accuser. Do you have proof that Fox is a plagiarist? Put up or shut up and stop patronising others - because you just lost the moral ground to do it.

Quote from: GhostNinja on July 15, 2022, 02:18:20 PM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 15, 2022, 11:43:42 AM

It's what he's best at. Conceding, and running a concession stand

Except, hard for me to believe, but Tubesock is actually correct in this instance.

What drayakir said about Daniel (As repugnant of a person as he is) amounts to Defamation.   If Daniel were to take drayakir to court and sue him, it would be on drayakir's legal team to prove that Daniel plagiarized which others have said they have read Fox's material and it is not word for word plagiarized.

drayakir, not knowing how the law works doesn't understand its up to the accuser to prove what he is claiming is correct.   According to people who have read it (which i do not think drayakir has) it is not plagiarized.   When asked to back up his claims, drayakir cannot.

Moral ground? You need to take a step back and re-consider the words you're using. We're on an Internet forum moderated by a random Internet personality dedicated to a niche hobby, talking about a "literal who(re)" that is having problem with a vocal minority of culture warriors. It's important to have context about these things before talking about "moral high ground." I couldn't care less whether my words are admissible or valid in a court of law because I'm not trying to prove anything to a court of law, because I don't actually give a shit. Pic related.

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