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Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 05:29:26 PM

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Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
What Fox has done with Zweihander is not significantly different from OSE, Swords & Wizardry or any number of retroclones out there.

Also, there are still plenty of places to get pirated stuff out there, and The Trove was never the best, nor the most comprehensive. Its download speed was shit.

Nope, because the retroclones added their own thing. Zweihander hasn't. It literally just removed all the copyrighted names and then everything else is literally word for word as it is in the WHFRP book. Check it yourself.

To your first claim, I'm curious as to what you think OSE "added"? Or Swords & Wizardry, for that matter?

As to your second claim, which I assumed was hyperbolic until I saw that you had used the term, "literally", er, no. I own and have read WFRP and Zweihander, and while the latter is obviously and admittedly based off of the former, it is not "word for word". It's nearly double the length, for cryin' out loud. Zweihander uses a different damage system, a "track" instead of a hit-point like system. It handles Armor differently. It handles Magic differently. There are more Combat options. There are differences in Character generation, the way it handles Careers, and on and on.

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Quote from: drayakir on July 12, 2022, 01:24:04 PM
Good. Fuck Daniel Fox. Do you think I should send him pirated copies of Zweihander?

That's the RPG about male German models, right?

I would literally play a Zoolander pun RPG a thousand times more than the Warhammer knockoff omnibus by Daniel Fox.

I mean, "pop culture pun" is basically the extent of your writing/design capability, so that tracks.

Why would someone go on the Internet and tell lies? It's LITERALLY identical with the lore, setting info, and names taken out.

You're either taking the piss or you LITERALLY have no idea wtf you're talking about. Take your own advice and read one or both of those games. Also still waiting on an answer ast to what OSE/S&W "add"...

I don't owe you an answer. Look it up yourself. And yeah, the book is LITERALLY identical (okay, the typeset and some of the art is different). Passages that are lifted verbatim from WHFRP are a constant fixture. You need to check it again, LITERALLY read the two texts side by side. Or just run it through a plagiarism checker.

I despise the guy, that being said if he had plagiarized WHFRPG GW would have sued him into destitution. He took it and changed enough that there's no GW IP in a readily identifiable way, he probably took the rules and mechanics and changed the expression (since that's what the law calls for), he probably took the lore and changed it enough to not be exposed to a law suit.

That being said, it's a shame the guy is a cunt because I would rather give my money to someone not GW, as it is I'll give it to someone else not GW nor Fox because fuck them both.

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Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 06:44:47 PM
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Oh no no no. It's on you to disprove me. You take the time to dig it up

Well, no. The burden of proof is on the accuser.

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I have better things to do than to read plagiarism committed by a hack.

If you know that it is plagiarism then you already have proof - because you won't accuse someone of such a crucial act without proof, won't you? You are too righteous for that, so just produce the proof that you obviously already have about  this act of plagiarism and we all will move on.

Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 10:01:27 AM

Quote from: MeganovaStella on July 14, 2022, 09:41:36 AM

Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
What Fox has done with Zweihander is not significantly different from OSE, Swords & Wizardry or any number of retroclones out there.

Also, there are still plenty of places to get pirated stuff out there, and The Trove was never the best, nor the most comprehensive. Its download speed was shit.

Do you get paid for acting like a contrarian ass on this site's threads? I think you should be, you do a great job.

Nice ad hominem, next time you can just admit that you can't refute the argument. It'd be more honest.

If you don't want to get insulted, how about you kill yourself? If you're dead, you can't see my posts.

With respect to what Swords & Wizardry & OSE change from the originals, it's quite a bit, actually.  For example, both offer ascending AC as an option.  Swords & Wizardry has the single saving throw.  It changes some of the class/race options and level limits. There are other tweaks throughout and Matt Finch usually explains where and why he made changes or clarifications.

As for OSE, again, there are clarifications and rulings that clean things up from the original.  But where it really "adds" material is with OSE Advanced.  There are lots of new race classes and the standard extra AD&D classes are all B/Xified.  The same for the monsters, along with a few new creatures.  There are also some original spells & rules adapted (but modified) from AD&D.

So, no they aren't verbatim copies.  And neither is Zweihander.

Quote from: Persimmon on July 14, 2022, 10:52:08 PM
With respect to what Swords & Wizardry & OSE change from the originals, it's quite a bit, actually.  For example, both offer ascending AC as an option.  Swords & Wizardry has the single saving throw.  It changes some of the class/race options and level limits. There are other tweaks throughout and Matt Finch usually explains where and why he made changes or clarifications.

As for OSE, again, there are clarifications and rulings that clean things up from the original.  But where it really "adds" material is with OSE Advanced.  There are lots of new race classes and the standard extra AD&D classes are all B/Xified.  The same for the monsters, along with a few new creatures.  There are also some original spells & rules adapted (but modified) from AD&D.

So, no they aren't verbatim copies.  And neither is Zweihander.

Yeah, that's a good appraisal.

Quote from: MeganovaStella on July 14, 2022, 10:16:24 PM

Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 10:01:27 AM

Quote from: MeganovaStella on July 14, 2022, 09:41:36 AM

Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
What Fox has done with Zweihander is not significantly different from OSE, Swords & Wizardry or any number of retroclones out there.

Also, there are still plenty of places to get pirated stuff out there, and The Trove was never the best, nor the most comprehensive. Its download speed was shit.

Do you get paid for acting like a contrarian ass on this site's threads? I think you should be, you do a great job.

Nice ad hominem, next time you can just admit that you can't refute the argument. It'd be more honest.

If you don't want to get insulted, how about you kill yourself? If you're dead, you can't see my posts.

Jesus, who let the /b/tards in here?

Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 11:08:39 PM

Quote from: MeganovaStella on July 14, 2022, 10:16:24 PM

Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 10:01:27 AM

Quote from: MeganovaStella on July 14, 2022, 09:41:36 AM

Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
What Fox has done with Zweihander is not significantly different from OSE, Swords & Wizardry or any number of retroclones out there.

Also, there are still plenty of places to get pirated stuff out there, and The Trove was never the best, nor the most comprehensive. Its download speed was shit.

Do you get paid for acting like a contrarian ass on this site's threads? I think you should be, you do a great job.

Nice ad hominem, next time you can just admit that you can't refute the argument. It'd be more honest.

If you don't want to get insulted, how about you kill yourself? If you're dead, you can't see my posts.

Jesus, who let the /b/tards in here?

I don't go on 4chan. Have you considered following my advice?

That title... I'm just like lol. Wasn't Zewy all woky? What happened, why so rebellious!?

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Quote from: MeganovaStella on July 14, 2022, 10:16:24 PM

Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 10:01:27 AM

Quote from: MeganovaStella on July 14, 2022, 09:41:36 AM

Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
What Fox has done with Zweihander is not significantly different from OSE, Swords & Wizardry or any number of retroclones out there.

Also, there are still plenty of places to get pirated stuff out there, and The Trove was never the best, nor the most comprehensive. Its download speed was shit.

Do you get paid for acting like a contrarian ass on this site's threads? I think you should be, you do a great job.

Nice ad hominem, next time you can just admit that you can't refute the argument. It'd be more honest.

If you don't want to get insulted, how about you kill yourself? If you're dead, you can't see my posts.

Jesus, who let the /b/tards in here?

I don't go on 4chan. Have you considered following my advice?

No, I'll just block you. That way I can stay alive and still not see your posts. Later, /b/tard.

Tubesock, still waiting for that rebuttal.

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Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 11:08:39 PM

Quote from: MeganovaStella on July 14, 2022, 10:16:24 PM

Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 10:01:27 AM

Quote from: MeganovaStella on July 14, 2022, 09:41:36 AM

Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
What Fox has done with Zweihander is not significantly different from OSE, Swords & Wizardry or any number of retroclones out there.

Also, there are still plenty of places to get pirated stuff out there, and The Trove was never the best, nor the most comprehensive. Its download speed was shit.

Do you get paid for acting like a contrarian ass on this site's threads? I think you should be, you do a great job.

Nice ad hominem, next time you can just admit that you can't refute the argument. It'd be more honest.

If you don't want to get insulted, how about you kill yourself? If you're dead, you can't see my posts.

Jesus, who let the /b/tards in here?

I don't go on 4chan. Have you considered following my advice?

No, I'll just block you. That way I can stay alive and still not see your posts. Later, /b/tard.

You can block people on this site? What

Quote from: Reckall on July 12, 2022, 01:55:28 PM

Quote from: drayakir on July 12, 2022, 01:24:04 PM
Good. Fuck Daniel Fox. Do you think I should send him pirated copies of Zweihander?

That's the RPG about male German models, right?

Quote from: Mistwell on July 15, 2022, 12:03:58 AM

Quote from: Reckall on July 12, 2022, 01:55:28 PM

Quote from: drayakir on July 12, 2022, 01:24:04 PM
Good. Fuck Daniel Fox. Do you think I should send him pirated copies of Zweihander?

That's the RPG about male German models, right?

Ahhh, I thought this kind of models!

Quote from: THE_Leopold on July 14, 2022, 09:49:05 AM

Quote from: MeganovaStella on July 14, 2022, 09:41:36 AM

Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
What Fox has done with Zweihander is not significantly different from OSE, Swords & Wizardry or any number of retroclones out there.

Also, there are still plenty of places to get pirated stuff out there, and The Trove was never the best, nor the most comprehensive. Its download speed was shit.

Do you get paid for acting like a contrarian ass on this site's threads? I think you should be, you do a great job.

He's filling in for Battlemaster now that he was banned.

BM was banned? Where can I read that newsletter?

Quote from: Mistwell on July 15, 2022, 12:08:48 AM

Quote from: THE_Leopold on July 14, 2022, 09:49:05 AM

Quote from: MeganovaStella on July 14, 2022, 09:41:36 AM

Quote from: Tubesock Army on July 14, 2022, 09:33:53 AM
What Fox has done with Zweihander is not significantly different from OSE, Swords & Wizardry or any number of retroclones out there.

Also, there are still plenty of places to get pirated stuff out there, and The Trove was never the best, nor the most comprehensive. Its download speed was shit.

Do you get paid for acting like a contrarian ass on this site's threads? I think you should be, you do a great job.

He's filling in for Battlemaster now that he was banned.

BM was banned? Where can I read that newsletter?

Both Battlemaster and Pat were banned because of off-topic political comments in the Steve Jackson Games thread. Here's the announcement:

https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/steve-jackson-games-goes-red-on-the-woke-meter/msg1222001/#msg1222001