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Daggerheart has an Identity Disorder

Started by RPGPundit, March 20, 2024, 05:11:29 PM

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Omega

#30
April 02, 2024, 09:26:36 PM
Quote from: Crazy_Blue_Haired_Chick on April 01, 2024, 09:22:16 AM
As a younger person with an interest in trpgs, Critical Role and its fanbase is everywhere. I think that part of the reason that it may fail is the sort of people that make up the fandom are the same people who got angry and called the Hadozee monkey people racist but would play as a frog person. So playing as a furry is a-ok as long as it isn't a primate.

You missed the memo where they declared frogs are racist because some make something that looks like the OK gesture and the OK gesture is secretly a neo-nazi symbol now because 4chan said so!

No. Really. Some poor game designer got cancelled by these fuckwits because he had a frog on the game cover.

Corolinth

#31
April 03, 2024, 02:55:04 PM
Somewhere in the world, a proud Kekistani patriot is enjoying a Pepe meme.

JeremyR

#32
April 04, 2024, 05:28:51 PM
Quote from: blackstone on April 01, 2024, 10:15:08 AM
God forbit he actually had some RULES. He'd look at AD&D 1st ed and his brain would explode because he couldn't handle it.

To be fair, that also applies to like 95% of the OSR, where 1e is the red headed stepchild.  And even things like more than one saving throw are too complicated for many.

Eirikrautha

#33
April 04, 2024, 09:30:49 PM
Quote from: JeremyR on April 04, 2024, 05:28:51 PM
And even things like more than one saving throw are too complicated for many.

Complicated? No.  Extraneous? Usually.  Parsimony is the soul of creativity...

Brad

#34
April 04, 2024, 09:33:30 PM
Quote from: JeremyR on April 04, 2024, 05:28:51 PM
Quote from: blackstone on April 01, 2024, 10:15:08 AM
God forbit he actually had some RULES. He'd look at AD&D 1st ed and his brain would explode because he couldn't handle it.

To be fair, that also applies to like 95% of the OSR, where 1e is the red headed stepchild.  And even things like more than one saving throw are too complicated for many.

And to think before those rose colored glasses were firmly affixed to some people's asses AD&D was held to be the pinnacle of RPGness. Sure, you didn't play AD&D BtB, but you sure as fuck also didn't play anything else. Basic D&D was for babies.
It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.

Omega

#35
April 04, 2024, 10:44:14 PM
Quote from: JeremyR on April 04, 2024, 05:28:51 PM
Quote from: blackstone on April 01, 2024, 10:15:08 AM
God forbit he actually had some RULES. He'd look at AD&D 1st ed and his brain would explode because he couldn't handle it.

To be fair, that also applies to like 95% of the OSR, where 1e is the red headed stepchild.  And even things like more than one saving throw are too complicated for many.

Modern players seem to be increasingly one backwards step short of morons barely able to comprehend basic grade school math or read a table.

Omega

#36
April 04, 2024, 10:46:09 PM
Quote from: Brad on April 04, 2024, 09:33:30 PMBasic D&D was for babies.

BX D&D was actually more deadly than AD&D. You kids and your silly safety wheels.

Brad

#37
April 04, 2024, 10:50:36 PM Last Edit: April 04, 2024, 10:56:08 PM by Brad
Quote from: Omega on April 04, 2024, 10:46:09 PM
Quote from: Brad on April 04, 2024, 09:33:30 PMBasic D&D was for babies.

BX D&D was actually more deadly than AD&D. You kids and your silly safety wheels.

Hey, 15 for like three stats, son. Uncle Gary said so!

But SERIOUSLY, hell yeah it was. -10 HP? Sorry, you are dead. My issue is the that all these dudes pretend B/X was their game and they eschewed AD&D in the early 80s, which is total horseshit. It's all retrospective nonsense. I can look back and honestly say, yeah, BECMI was a solid ass game I'm sorry I left for AD&D, but I'll never pretend I didn't get rid of my Mentzer boxed sets as soon as I had enough money for the AD&D books. Wisdom is realizing you might have made a mistake; being a total cocksucker is pretending you never did.
It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.

SHARK

#38
April 04, 2024, 10:51:01 PM
Quote from: Brad on April 04, 2024, 09:33:30 PM
Quote from: JeremyR on April 04, 2024, 05:28:51 PM
Quote from: blackstone on April 01, 2024, 10:15:08 AM
God forbit he actually had some RULES. He'd look at AD&D 1st ed and his brain would explode because he couldn't handle it.

To be fair, that also applies to like 95% of the OSR, where 1e is the red headed stepchild.  And even things like more than one saving throw are too complicated for many.

And to think before those rose colored glasses were firmly affixed to some people's asses AD&D was held to be the pinnacle of RPGness. Sure, you didn't play AD&D BtB, but you sure as fuck also didn't play anything else. Basic D&D was for babies.

Greetings!

Yeah, every gamer I knew fucking dropped Basic D&D and grabbed AD&D immediately. Gamers at the time, back in the day, laughed at Basic D&D. Now it is some nostalgic uber game--but back in the day, everyone viewed Basic D&D as totally inferior to AD&D.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
"It is the Marine Corps that will strip away the façade so easily confused with self. It is the Corps that will offer the pain needed to buy the truth. And at last, each will own the privilege of looking inside himself  to discover what truly resides there. Comfort is an illusion. A false security b

Abraxus

#39
April 05, 2024, 03:10:41 AM
Seconding Shark post.

We started with the boxed sets and in my very first gaming group never went back to Basic.

Not because it was better simply because at the time 1E was the latest hotness and three core vs a bunch of boxed sets was easier to carry around. Not to mention TSR slowly stopped supporting Basic and switched to 1E. Granted even as an teenager 1E was an disorganized mess yet it worked and in my neck of the woods until 2E it was the most version we played.




yosemitemike

#40
April 05, 2024, 02:06:22 PM
That was my experience as well.  As soon as the version with advanced in the title came out, no one wanted to play the Basic one anymore.  The general sentiment was that Basic D&D was for people who couldn't handle the advanced version. 
"I am certain, however, that nothing has done so much to destroy the juridical safeguards of individual freedom as the striving after this mirage of social justice."― Friedrich Hayek
Another former RPGnet member permanently banned for calling out the staff there on their abdication of their responsibilities as moderators and admins and their abject surrender to the whims of the shrillest and most self-righteous members of the community.

Silverblade

#41
April 05, 2024, 02:14:54 PM
Quote from: yosemitemike on April 05, 2024, 02:06:22 PM
That was my experience as well.  As soon as the version with advanced in the title came out, no one wanted to play the Basic one anymore.  The general sentiment was that Basic D&D was for people who couldn't handle the advanced version.

In our area, Basic was considered the kid's version. So yes, once you hit middle school, you wanted to play AD&D with the big boys. Gary did well adding "Advanced" to the name.

But realistically, the game we played was more like B/X with AD&D classes, magic and magic items.

Dracones

#42
April 05, 2024, 03:35:19 PM
For me I went to a friend's house and played 1e. Then rode my bike to Waldenbooks and bought D&D.... Mentzer red box because I didn't know there was a difference.  ;D

Most groups I knew played AD&D in a home brew setting. I think it felt like it just had "more" to it. More spells, more classes, more races, etc. But Mentzer was perfect as a first read of D&D and the grand completeness of BECMI holds a special place in my heart.

Zalman

#43
April 05, 2024, 04:08:58 PM
I started with OD&D and moved right to AD&D. We heard about "Basic" and knew that was for kids so we never tried it. A few years later, "Basic" looked inexplicably different and we started to hear about "Expert" Edition, which threw us for a loop -- Does Expert trump Advanced? -- but we did our best to ignore it in our assumed supremacy.
Old School? Back in my day we just called it "School."

Crazy_Blue_Haired_Chick

#44
April 06, 2024, 09:49:26 AM
Quote from: Omega on April 02, 2024, 09:26:36 PM
Quote from: Crazy_Blue_Haired_Chick on April 01, 2024, 09:22:16 AM
As a younger person with an interest in trpgs, Critical Role and its fanbase is everywhere. I think that part of the reason that it may fail is the sort of people that make up the fandom are the same people who got angry and called the Hadozee monkey people racist but would play as a frog person. So playing as a furry is a-ok as long as it isn't a primate.

You missed the memo where they declared frogs are racist because some make something that looks like the OK gesture and the OK gesture is secretly a neo-nazi symbol now because 4chan said so!

No. Really. Some poor game designer got cancelled by these fuckwits because he had a frog on the game cover.

But that only applies to Pepe the Frog, or it should, because none of the sparkletroll soynards complained about there being a froggy person as a playable option. Instead, they welcomed it. People think that frogs are cute, and they are not wrong.

And oh God! They have a monkey people option! If this is a repeat of the hadozee I'm going to lose it!
https://app.demiplane.com/nexus/daggerheart/ancestries

At this point, if I wanted to play a monkey person, I'd go with any of the fanmade Dragonball ttrpgs.
"Kaioken! I will be better than I was back then!"
-Bloodywood, Aaj
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