Quote from: sureshot;1073355I never said it was not a problem. Claiming it's  an epidemic which can ruin the hobby is also being disingenuous at best as well.

It's not the epidemic, it's one symptom of an epidemic. What can ruin the hobby is the SJW agenda for the hobby, which is being fought on multiple fronts. Promoting the idea that that passive non-gaming CR fans (which they can then claim to speak for) are full and equal members of a fictitious D&D umbrella "Community" (while their entryists in WoTC convince the company to increasingly make products for those non-gamers and to even make game-books that will appeal to those non-gamers more than to gamers) is how CR fits into the whole project.

Quote from: sureshot;1073355I never said it was not a problem. Claiming it's  an epidemic which can ruin the hobby is also being disingenuous at best as well. Most normal sane gamers know that what they see during CR is not what happens at most tables. A few players who refuse to separate fantasy from fiction is not that an epidemic that can ruin the hobby.

It's  like claiming every tabletop games is a socially inept nerd, with poor hygiene problems, I had the misfortune of actually playing and gaming with some. I never assumed every gamer would be or act that way. I consider it an issue a very small one. Until I see the imaginary hordes of CR obsessed gamers then I will concede to being wrong. I'm  not worried in the least  because it will never come to pass.

Greetings!

"Hordes of CR obsessed gamers!" LOL. I love it, Sureshot. That made me laugh!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: RPGPundit;1073602It's not the epidemic, it's one symptom of an epidemic. What can ruin the hobby is the SJW agenda for the hobby, which is being fought on multiple fronts.

I will agree that art or any form of creative endeavour needs to remain free of political constraints. Politics should not limit the direction of the arts, no matter how good the cause seems to you. And no matter what the agenda, left, right, libertarian or what-have-you. Games that maximize diversity and games that play in white male-centric medieval europe can happily co-exist side-by-side. And if I can enjoy playing as a japanese Samurai in Sengoku-era Japan (not as a European explorer), why shouldn't black/hispanic/muslim dude enjoy playing as a white knight in medieval Europe? Youtube is full of reaction videos with black people enjoying the ultimately white-centric Game of Thrones.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1073602Promoting the idea that that passive non-gaming CR fans (which they can then claim to speak for) are full and equal members of a fictitious D&D umbrella "Community" (while their entryists in WoTC convince the company to increasingly make products for those non-gamers and to even make game-books that will appeal to those non-gamers more than to gamers) is how CR fits into the whole project.

For a broader look at the appeal of D&D and US fantasy: as a German, I kinda disagree with the general WoW-like thrust in fantasy that some prominent American settings provide. Classical fantasy is based on mythical medieval europe and when I look at WoW, it looks like a frickin' Las Vegas-version of that. It's as if you'd had bought a cool historical european castle, transported it stone for stone to Vegas and then built a cheap casino into it. That's not what my peasants have slaved for back then!

It goes without saying that I utterly disagree with the art direction of, say, WFRP 4E as well. But... consumers seem to like it, so what do I know?

Quote from: RPGPundit;1073602It's not the epidemic, it's one symptom of an epidemic. What can ruin the hobby is the SJW agenda for the hobby, which is being fought on multiple fronts. Promoting the idea that that passive non-gaming CR fans (which they can then claim to speak for) are full and equal members of a fictitious D&D umbrella "Community" (while their entryists in WoTC convince the company to increasingly make products for those non-gamers and to even make game-books that will appeal to those non-gamers more than to gamers) is how CR fits into the whole project.

Unlike SJWs which I do think can and will be a true epidemic on the hobby. I seriously doubt CR and Mercer are remotely in the same league. As I said before only those who insist on believing everything they see about something is based on reality is not CR or Mercer fault. It's being ignorant. When I saw Arnold leap into the year in this scene from Commando I knew even at a young age I knew I was not walking let alone limping away intact like he did in this scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjNQLXXwYfw . As for labeling people who are full or equal who are we to say. If I was told some of the stuff you and others says about who is "real" or not int this hobby. I might have walked away all those years ago. If they are having fun and willing to learn and be part of the community they should be welcomed not turned away. I transitioned from playing rpgs all the time to a causal member of the hobby. Does that suddenly mean I'm no longer a full and equal member of the hobby.

By whose set of arbitrary rules, mines yours or someone else. I just don't get this weird imaginary divide some have. Drawing an imaginary line in the sand. Some treating others who want to come into this hobby like we were treated all those years ago by the socially popular kids. Being a gamer is not a job it is a hobby, nor it is some kind of imaginary social status climbing ladder. Outside of the internet and some forums. Unless your a woke SJW jerk or just a plain jerk most will be accepted with open arms. Those who refuse to admit and accept CR is not more than a show are told to adapt or are shown the door. Most of us are not wasting time clutching pearls and going "what will the hobby do." Like it or not social media and Youtube is how many learn new things. Before it was oral tradition from person to person then books now social media. Nor is it going away anytime soon.

Pundit I think you and I will ever see eye to eye on this.

Quote from: SHARK;1074128Greetings!

"Hordes of CR obsessed gamers!" LOL. I love it, Sureshot. That made me laugh!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

With how Pundit and other try to spin it it seems that their is an army of Critical Role obsessed fans along the lines of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEJMnLZKuVU

Their target..roleplaying
Their objective..turn all existing rpgs into critical role

Pundit wants to give them a war and they don't want to give him one.

I see no reason why I should worry about a small group of gamers who cannot see the difference between reality and fiction. They either learn to accept and adapt to reality. Or they can seek a new table and/or possibly the nearest mental health care professional. I'm more worried as should others of the get woke attitude that many rpg companies are embracing. Compared to that the Critical Role obsessed people are not more than any annoyance to me at least.

Quote from: sureshot;1074196Unlike SJWs which I do think can and will be a true epidemic on the hobby. I seriously doubt CR and Mercer are remotely in the same league.

Mercer IS an SJW. He literally claimed that anyone who disagreed with him on the "unquestionable" guilt of Kavanaugh and the absolute truth of his accusers claims is a mental defective in need of psychiatric intervention.