Quote from: Mistwell on February 14, 2022, 01:25:22 PM
I can't speak to how critical role functions behind the scenes these days. But I can say with certainty it was not scripted in the beginning, and they were not rehearsing in the beginning.

  I would agree with that.   

eh

We talked about this subject in the latest episode of Inappropriate Characters.

Quote from: FingerRod on February 14, 2022, 01:26:59 PM

Quote from: LouProsperi on February 14, 2022, 12:02:59 PM
Even if the newer seasons are scripted, that still doesn't mean it's not a roleplaying game.

What? How would a scripted show be a role-playing game?

As for CR, I only saw parts of their first campaign. I did not see evidence of scripted television.

Storygamer/Forge/Swine 101: An actor in a movie is playing a really real RPG because they are "role playing"... Remember kids. Reading a book and watching grass grow are also really real RPGs according to these nuts.

Quote from: oggsmash on February 14, 2022, 01:45:39 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on February 14, 2022, 01:25:22 PM
I can't speak to how critical role functions behind the scenes these days. But I can say with certainty it was not scripted in the beginning, and they were not rehearsing in the beginning.

  I would agree with that.

Same and even now I am not sure they are scripting. At this point after so long they likely know eachother well enough that they can tell some beats are coming and have something in mind just in case. Others it probably just comes naturally.

That was a bit misleading. I thought "cancelled" meant actually cancelled by someone with the power to do so, as in "Futurama has been cancelled by the network". Kotaku just published an article by an irritable (and not terribly well-informed) person, right? This hasn't actually had any consequences, has it?

Interestingly, the casus belli in this particular case seems to be the same transgression that led to the crusade a few months back (... oops) against Oriental Adventures among others: That white gamers dare to incorporate cultural elements from non-European regions of the world into their fantasy universe, something only people with a genetic heritage connecting them to those regions, should be allowed to do. Do I get that right?

It's a really pernicious trend because its endgame pretty much can only be that single-flavor modern D&D-Type European(+ black folk)-ish, old-timey-ish inoffensive bog standard fantasy remains as the only viable setting for RPGs.

Quote from: Wulfhelm on February 15, 2022, 08:02:10 AM
That was a bit misleading. I thought "cancelled" meant actually cancelled by someone with the power to do so, as in "Futurama has been cancelled by the network". Kotaku just published an article by an irritable (and not terribly well-informed) person, right? This hasn't actually had any consequences, has it?

Interestingly, the casus belli in this particular case seems to be the same transgression that led to the crusade a few months back (... oops) against Oriental Adventures among others: That white gamers dare to incorporate cultural elements from non-European regions of the world into their fantasy universe, something only people with a genetic heritage connecting them to those regions, should be allowed to do. Do I get that right?

It's a really pernicious trend because its endgame pretty much can only be that single-flavor modern D&D-Type European(+ black folk)-ish, old-timey-ish inoffensive bog standard fantasy remains as the only viable setting for RPGs.

  I think Kotaku is completely toothless at this point.   Cancel these days seems to include attempts to get that removal wagon rolling as well as the actual act of removing someone from a platform.   I have seen it used quite a bit around Joe Rogan, but it seems as if Joe is Godzilla and all the people attacking him are the Japanese military.

Quote from: oggsmash on February 15, 2022, 09:18:22 AM


  I think Kotaku is completely toothless at this point.   Cancel these days seems to include attempts to get that removal wagon rolling as well as the actual act of removing someone from a platform.   I have seen it used quite a bit around Joe Rogan, but it seems as if Joe is Godzilla and all the people attacking him are the Japanese military.

Kotaku used to be a solid gaming review and geek culture site.  Then the ragebait articles came rolling out and those hateclick $$$ kept pouring in.  Now anyone with a soul has left the company and site and it's a shell of it's former self and useful for only shitting on anything that doesn't agree with the Tenants of Mao and Social Justice (which ironically are not mutually coexistant).

I wonder how many of these authors are Caucasian and why they have not given their jobs to those BiPOC's they screech about are sorely misrepresented in the industry?

Quote from: FingerRod on February 14, 2022, 01:26:59 PM

Quote from: LouProsperi on February 14, 2022, 12:02:59 PM
Even if the newer seasons are scripted, that still doesn't mean it's not a roleplaying game.

What? How would a scripted show be a role-playing game?

As for CR, I only saw parts of their first campaign. I did not see evidence of scripted television.

I should clarify. Obviously if everything is scripted in detail, including every character action, dialog, and dice results, then it's not really a roleplaying game as much as it is a portrayal of a roleplaying game.

I meant scripted to mean that the overall flow of events were planned, but not specific individual character actions, dialog, or dice roll results.

More to the point, I think a fairly broad definition of what constitutes a roleplaying game is better for the hobby and the industry.  Roleplaying games can take many forms.


Lou Prosperi

Quote from: RebelSky on February 11, 2022, 10:41:28 AM
They do boil down to Authoritarian vs Liberty though. Those are the new political divisions. Not Liberal vs Conservative.

Not even so new. Here's the great Poul Anderson from Sensitive Man in 1954:

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"... in the United States [said Dalgetty] ... the lines today are drawn not by nations or parties, but by philosophies, if you wish. Two views of man's destiny, cutting  across all national, political, racial, and religious lines."

"And what are those two views?" asked the stranger quietly.

"You might call them libertarian and totalitarian, though the latter don't necessarily think of themselves as such."

Quote from: Wulfhelm on February 15, 2022, 08:02:10 AM
That was a bit misleading. I thought "cancelled" meant actually cancelled by someone with the power to do so, as in "Futurama has been cancelled by the network". Kotaku just published an article by an irritable (and not terribly well-informed) person, right? This hasn't actually had any consequences, has it?

After posting it I thought that "gets #cancelled by Kotaku" would have better conveyed that it was an attempt at cancel culture (even if the word "culture" associated to Critical Role seems debatable). Something to keep in mind for the next time.

Quote from: Reckall on February 15, 2022, 03:38:28 PM
After posting it I thought that "gets #cancelled by Kotaku" would have better conveyed that it was an attempt at cancel culture (even if the word "culture" associated to Critical Role seems debatable). Something to keep in mind for the next time.

So has there been any call of boycott or shut down Critical Role over this critique? It seems like the comments on the Kotaku article are generally negative of the critique, which doesn't call for boycott.

Quote from: RebelSky on February 11, 2022, 10:41:28 AM
We got the entire rainbow of colors here in America now.

They do boil down to Authoritarian vs Liberty though. Those are the new political divisions. Not Liberal vs Conservative.

Quote from: RebelSky on February 11, 2022, 10:41:28 AM
Personally, I'm of the mind set that any person in the USA that comes out and says they are a Marxist and hates America has declared war on America and should be shipped off to North Korea. Then they can find out what living in a real Totalitarian regime is like.

We still have a liberal and conservative side, where each likes to pretend that it's only the other that is authoritarian. Case in point, RebelSky openly says that people of opposing political views should be forcibly shipped off rather than allowed to exercise their right to free speech.

Quote from: jhkim on February 15, 2022, 11:14:03 PM

We still have a liberal and conservative side, where each likes to pretend that it's only the other that is authoritarian. Case in point, RebelSky openly says that people of opposing political views should be forcibly shipped off rather than allowed to exercise their right to free speech.

Horseshit. This is a false equivalence.

   Edited: to steer my contrarian nature back towards the topic at hand and obey forum rules.

   Should Kotaku still be around in 5 years I have a feeling it will be after they have a round of firing and hire people who just want to report on the quality and nature of content and no longer it's political flavor in current year.   I can at least hope this starts to happen.

Quote from: jhkim on February 15, 2022, 11:14:03 PM

We still have a liberal and conservative side, where each likes to pretend that it's only the other that is authoritarian.

Intellectual dishonesty from jhkim? This is jeff37923's complete lack of surprise.