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Author Topic: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets  (Read 34877 times)

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #180 on: August 18, 2022, 02:14:57 PM »
If a setting is made into something approaching utopia there isn’t as much to do adventure-wise other than navel-gaze, and congratulate yourself on being so enlightened for playing in such a setting.

There's always the prom.

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #181 on: August 18, 2022, 02:19:06 PM »
If a setting is made into something approaching utopia there isn’t as much to do adventure-wise other than navel-gaze, and congratulate yourself on being so enlightened for playing in such a setting.

There's always the prom.

  I think D&D already put out the book covering university frenimies and gay proms.

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« Reply #182 on: August 18, 2022, 02:25:35 PM »
If a setting is made into something approaching utopia there isn’t as much to do adventure-wise other than navel-gaze, and congratulate yourself on being so enlightened for playing in such a setting.

There's always the prom.

  I think D&D already put out the book covering university frenimies and gay proms.

But not the NATIVE approved version of it.

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #183 on: August 18, 2022, 02:32:13 PM »
Greetings!

Funny how the Coyote & Clown author--allegedly "Cherokee"--seems to have entirely overlooked some intriguing aspects of Cherokee--and other Indian tribes' customs.

The Cherokee practiced roasting and eating the hearts of slain enemy warriors!

Or, how about the common practice amongst many Indian tribes of performing genocide against enemy tribes? All the men would be hunted down and killed--while the women were taken captive as slaves and concubines. And afterwards constantly plundered and mated with. Yes, the new children they bred would go into being members of the new tribe, and the old tribal lineage would soon be forgotten.

Many customs of savage torture. Oh, and not always practiced by the Indian men, either. Indian women were often quite eager to engage in torture parties of captured enemies--whether such captives were male or female.

Slavery, torture, genocide, cannibalism, murder, rape, and ruthless, brutal conquest.

Native Indian tribes embraced and celebrated all of these things, from Alaska down to Argentina, and everywhere in between, by all tribes in general. The Indian tribes practiced, embraced, and celebrated these things before ever meeting a single white man.

The Native Indians didn't need the "White Man" to teach them about these things.

The Native Indians were already very well acquainted with such customs.

I really get tired of people that want to white-wash and sanitize Indians as some kind of uber, peaceful fucking hippies.

Fucking Coyote & Clown! ;D

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #184 on: August 18, 2022, 03:02:52 PM »
Slavery, torture, genocide, cannibalism, murder, rape, and ruthless, brutal conquest.

Native Indian tribes embraced and celebrated all of these things, from Alaska down to Argentina, and everywhere in between, by all tribes in general. The Indian tribes practiced, embraced, and celebrated these things before ever meeting a single white man.

So... basically, like all humans before the Enlightenment.

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #185 on: August 18, 2022, 03:11:45 PM »
Slavery, torture, genocide, cannibalism, murder, rape, and ruthless, brutal conquest.

Native Indian tribes embraced and celebrated all of these things, from Alaska down to Argentina, and everywhere in between, by all tribes in general. The Indian tribes practiced, embraced, and celebrated these things before ever meeting a single white man.

So... basically, like all humans before the Enlightenment.

Like all humans, ever, when the thin veneer of civilization is stripped off, before during or after the Enlightenment or any similar movement.  Not understanding that is the first step down a long road.  Some people that take it far enough can end up writing a setting like Coyote and Crow so completely devoid of an anchor to the reality of being human.

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« Reply #186 on: August 18, 2022, 04:55:07 PM »
Ya got the expansion title wrong, Doc.
They are sticking with the alliteration motif...
"Conquistador: the Colonizing"

The sad thing is that Whitey Redface doesn't even care if you play it that way.

His whole article is 'just buy my fucking game, you evil white people, I don't care why!'

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« Reply #187 on: August 18, 2022, 04:57:42 PM »
Ya got the expansion title wrong, Doc.
They are sticking with the alliteration motif...
"Conquistador: the Colonizing"


The sad thing is that Whitey Redface doesn't even care if you play it that way.

His whole article is 'just buy my fucking game, you evil white people, I don't care why!'

If I wrote an rpg of all things I'd be pretty depressed if it was just bought to score vague political points and no one actually bothered to play the damn thing. It really speaks to an ugly creative bankruptcy on the part of Mr Alexander.

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« Reply #188 on: August 18, 2022, 05:09:55 PM »
If I wrote an rpg of all things I'd be pretty depressed if it was just bought to score vague political points and no one actually bothered to play the damn thing. It really speaks to an ugly creative bankruptcy on the part of Mr Alexander.

That's Big Chief Alexander to you, whitey!

And yeah, this wasn't a labour of love for anyone. I actually tend to give a pass to things made from a genuine creative place, even if I don't agree with them politically or like the product.

But this was made simultaneously as a cash-grab on white-guilt, and to push a political ideology from a dishonest place.   

What a horrible thing to be.  It's entire existence is misery and self-loathing.
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« Reply #189 on: August 18, 2022, 09:46:35 PM »
I just found out that they are making an RPG for the Mythic Americas miniature game. Soon Coyote and Crow will be the second most successful Native American RPG released in 2022 (although it will win all the awards).

BTW - Here is their booth at GenCon. Plenty of product there.

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« Reply #190 on: August 18, 2022, 11:31:12 PM »
I just found out that they are making an RPG for the Mythic Americas miniature game. Soon Coyote and Crow will be the second most successful Native American RPG released in 2022 (although it will win all the awards).

That sounds great. I play Mythic Americas and I love it. I was considering bringing it up ITT as a comparison on how to do indigenous mythology and gaming right, without all the progressive garbage. No weird cyberpunk aesthetic stuff painted on either, so you get a more authentic pre-Colombian experience.

I don't see anything on their website about it. Did they just announce it at the con? What system are they going to use?

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #191 on: August 19, 2022, 05:40:53 AM »
If a setting is made into something approaching utopia there isn’t as much to do adventure-wise other than navel-gaze, and congratulate yourself on being so enlightened for playing in such a setting.

There's always the prom.

  I suspect jeremy crawford could conjure a 1/128th DNA test if needed. 
  I think D&D already put out the book covering university frenimies and gay proms.

But not the NATIVE approved version of it.

  I suspect jeremy crawford could conjure a 1/128th DNA test if needed.

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #192 on: August 19, 2022, 05:52:42 AM »
While I agree with your assessment in principle, it wouldn't apply to the the setting of C&C. In the setting, the reason the Americas were never colonized is that meteors crashed into the Earth 700 years ago, mostly in Europe/Asia/Africa. Those continents are smoking wastelands that the people of the Americas haven't bothered exploring.
Because they haven't bothered to explore, the C&C world will be rocked when the "Conquistador: The Reckoning" supplement comes out.
Making the whole thing much more fun and playable.

Ya got the expansion title wrong, Doc.
They are sticking with the alliteration motif...

"Conquistador: the Colonizing"

   or "Aztecs: Such Huge Assholes People Prefer Colonizing Pillagers"

"Aztecs: The Azz-Kicking"
"Meh."

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #193 on: August 19, 2022, 06:26:09 AM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Falls_massacre

This kind of history could be ripe for RPG scenarios...would Coyote and Crow work?
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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #194 on: August 19, 2022, 07:04:19 AM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Falls_massacre

This kind of history could be ripe for RPG scenarios...would Coyote and Crow work?

No, because that story involves evil, colonialist Europeans. In a proper C&C game, Samuel Hearne wouldn't have been around to imperialistically try and force his Eurocentric ways on the proud indigenous Chipewyan by begging them not to massacre the Inuit.

Sarcasm aside, the Mythic Americas RPG will likely be a good way to run an "evil" campaign straight. An Aztec party could go out on raids for sacrificial prisoners. I don't think they will shy away from the darker side of historical accuracy. In the miniature game, Inca priest units come with sacrificial virgin models that can be sacrificed to improve your casting roll. Imagine playing an RPG where you have those listed on your character's equipment sheat.