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Author Topic: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets  (Read 5513 times)

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(The earlier Coyote and Crow discussion occurred here:
https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/racialist-propaganda-rpgs-are-always-stupid/
I took the forum’s hint to start a new post rather than raise that one from the dead)

Thanks to Tubesock fanboying C&L and keeping up with their website I found out that the creator is practically begging for white people to buy his game.

https://coyoteandcrow.net/2022/04/23/an-important-message-from-connor/#more-510

He went out of his way to make whites feel uncomfortable playing his game, but now he’s demanding they buy his game, and they’re racist if they don’t buy his game because they were made uncomfortable by his language that could only make whites uncomfortable if they took his words seriously. (Nevermind Latinos that his setting deliberately eliminates in order to set up his racially pure wankfest, since their existence would preclude the ideology of his game.) Now he says he shouldn’t have needed to write all those words instructing people how to play his RPG based on their race. Well, dude, no you shouldn’t have written those words to begin with, but you needed that sweet validation of virtue-signaling.

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2022, 10:55:22 PM »
Get Woke Go Broke, nope, not buying his shit, not playing his shit, hell I wouldn't even pirate it (and pirating shit is a honorable and ancient tradition in México).

Not because I'm white (I am), not because I'm Latino (I am), not because he erased my kind from his world (He did), but because he's a fucking racist POS, just like I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole Varg Vikernes' myfarog for the exact same reason.
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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2022, 11:09:09 PM »
Jesus Christ! The condescending attitude on this POS!

Even when this guy is practically BEGGING people to play his game he still can't help himself from talking down to them and treat them like a piece of shit that should feel so lucky to be playing a game given to them by exalted indigenous people like a good "ally". And the guy just can't see how maybe droning on about CuLtUrAl ApPrOpRiAtIoN and constantly pontificating at people about what sort of shit they're allowed or not allowed to do based on their race might send mixed messages when it comes to whether or not white people should be playing a game where only "people of colour" are a character option.

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Okay, let me get into this. First, if you’re concerned that you shouldn’t be playing Coyote & Crow, it’s likely that you’re a white person and you’re worried that playing this game constitutes some form of cultural appropriation or that you would somehow misrepresent Indigenous people during your time playing the game.

I get that instinct. It likely comes from the fact that you’re trying to be an ally to Indigenous folks, probably to POC in general. You’re being “respectful.”

Except – you’re not. You’re not being respectful when you refuse to play Coyote & Crow for that reason. You’re not being an ally. You’re being a shitty person and frankly, you’re being a little racist. Feel free to gasp and fan yourself if you need to. When you’ve finished, please read on

If you play people from other races you're a racist! But if you don't play people from other races you're still a racist! Congrats! You're a racist. Now play my game, ya fucking racist!

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2022, 11:27:39 PM »
Does this guy even have a game to coerce white people to play?  Put the book out and let the market decide if your game is any good. 

Seriously, where’s the game?


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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2022, 11:31:29 PM »
Does this guy even have a game to coerce white people to play?  Put the book out and let the market decide if your game is any good. 

Seriously, where’s the game?

I've seen it at my local gaming store/pub. Flipped through it out of idle curiosity, and put it back on the shelf.

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And if you still can’t get past it? Just buy our game because you’re an “ally” and then put it on your shelf and never play it. That works too.

Sorry, duder. That's not how I roll. You gotta make a good game that I'm interested in.
I don't do anything out of being "an ally".
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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2022, 11:38:16 PM »
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And if you still can’t get past it? Just buy our game because you’re an “ally” and then put it on your shelf and never play it. That works too.

Sorry, duder. That's not how I roll. You gotta make a good game that I'm interested in.
I don't do anything out of being "an ally".
Having people buy the game no matter what out of guilt points back to how Wokeness is a cult. The author is demanding indulgences to be paid to him from whites for their original sin of being white. If you don’t buy the indulgence then you’re condemned to Woke hell as a racist.

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2022, 11:41:39 PM »
An alternate history where European contact with the Americas never occurred is a fascinating premise for a game. It doesn't take much to make it work: perhaps a great plague wiped out most everyone in Europe, Africa, and Asia. Perhaps even indigenous American explorers end up reaching Europe to find the remains of an apocalypse. I don't need to see myself represented in a game in order to enjoy it.

If he had just made a solid game and not bothered with the politics, it could have been different.
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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2022, 12:23:26 AM »
The RPG market is tough by itself. Its own survival by itself isn't necacarily guarunteed even if it was not woke.

However being toxic generally never helps matters. Yes, wokeness is absolutely a cult of hate.

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2022, 12:37:00 AM »
So, if a player has NA heritage they should "feel free to change the rules" but if they don't, they have to stuck with what's specifically written on the pages. WTF? I'm more than willing to give just about anything a chance, but the way this is written out is full of dumb.

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2022, 12:43:48 AM »
Jesus Christ! The condescending attitude on this POS!


Yeah that was my first thought too.

BTW here’s an interview and photo of this proud Native American

https://tribalbusinessnews.com/sections/entrepreneurism/13394-coyote-and-crow-brings-native-perspective-to-booming-board-game-sector

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2022, 01:02:58 AM »
Yes, wokeness is absolutely a cult of hate.

It's a cult of power. The hate is a side effect of needing to dehumanize their "enemies" in order to obtain/retain that power.

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2022, 01:07:22 AM »
c&c can cope and seethe and mald all they want, they will get nothing

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2022, 01:11:21 AM »
Jesus Christ! The condescending attitude on this POS!


Yeah that was my first thought too.

BTW here’s an interview and photo of this proud Native American

https://tribalbusinessnews.com/sections/entrepreneurism/13394-coyote-and-crow-brings-native-perspective-to-booming-board-game-sector

I've never seen a more Native American looking Native American, and that Native American name!

Seriously tho, the dude is a fucking bigot, a racist and proud to be one too. And is counting on white guilt to make bank.
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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2022, 01:14:37 AM »
So, if a player has NA heritage they should "feel free to change the rules" but if they don't, they have to stuck with what's specifically written on the pages. WTF? I'm more than willing to give just about anything a chance, but the way this is written out is full of dumb.

Yeah, it stinks of hypocrisy.
These are the same people that will raceswap or genderswap established characters in comics/literature, and call you racist for asking why they are changing things. But don't you dare try to change the things they wrote.

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2022, 02:20:54 AM »
That's an impressive level of entitlement.

It's pretty funny how directly this rant confirms everything the Pundit has ever said about these games in the last paragraph: "Just buy our game because you’re an 'ally' and then put it on your shelf and never play it. That works too."
« Last Edit: August 05, 2022, 02:23:36 AM by Plotinus »