What's "problematic" about the attitude of the C&C promoter is his display of impatience at the question of whether white people should play the game at all. If you're going to propose a totalitarian revamp of morality, you should expect people to question it, and you should answer those questions with good cheer, not snarky ejaculations like "FFS."

Quote from: Neoplatonist1 on August 08, 2022, 01:18:10 PM
What's "problematic" about the attitude of the C&C promoter is his display of impatience at the question of whether white people should play the game at all. If you're going to propose a totalitarian revamp of morality, you should expect people to question it, and you should answer those questions with good cheer, not snarky ejaculations like "FFS."

What's worse is that I might just buy his product making his ejaculation premature.

Quote from: Neoplatonist1 on August 08, 2022, 01:18:10 PM
What's "problematic" about the attitude of the C&C promoter is his display of impatience at the question of whether white people should play the game at all. If you're going to propose a totalitarian revamp of morality, you should expect people to question it, and you should answer those questions with good cheer, not snarky ejaculations like "FFS."

Imagine caring about the color of someone's skin, who they sleep with, the god they pray to, and who they love when they play your make believe product full of Dwarves fighting fish people to get treasure.

If you worry so much about those things you must be mainlining a bar of Xanex to help you sleep at night ...

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Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on August 05, 2022, 12:23:26 AM
Yes, wokeness is absolutely a cult of hate.

It's a cult of power. The hate is a side effect of needing to dehumanize their "enemies" in order to obtain/retain that power.

No. Theres always been that element of hatefulness in every iteration. They feed on it. They incite it. They accuse others of it. It is a hatemongering cult.

Quote from: wmarshal on August 04, 2022, 10:38:06 PM
Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets

I don't ally with deviants, degenerates, and heterophobes.

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Quote from: jhkim on August 07, 2022, 07:36:37 PM
My son got the PDF via the Kickstarter, and I've looked over their copy some by now.

It seems like a workable system. A standard-ish dice pool system with 9 attributes (similar to White Wolf), plus skills and psychic abilities. I like how each skill has two attributes that it is based on. If a character has any training in the skill, they can use the higher of the two attributes. If they don't, they use the lower of the two attributes.

My main issue with the game is that too much is unfamiliar to players. I considered running it at a convention to give it a try, but I feel like most of the convention game session would be learning curve. There's new mechanics, new technology, new psychic powers, plus the new alternate-future culture that the characters live in. To me, it's a bit too much to learn for a one-shot.

How does the amount needed to learn compare with Eclipse Phase, because that seems to have a similar problem in my eyes?

I haven't tried Eclipse Phase, so I don't know with that. I can compare to Blue Planet, which I really liked reading about but haven't been able to play or run yet. The tech is easier to handle than Blue Planet, but I think overall it is probably more difficult to learn.

He has a crowdfunding for an expansion scheduled to go to Backerkit's program mid-September.

https://www.backerkit.com/call_to_action/9e22bdbd-510e-4f3d-808e-898715d65a5d/landing?ref=c-main-page

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Quote from: Almost_Useless on August 10, 2022, 10:08:52 PM
Has he delivered anything?  He has a crowdfunding for an expansion scheduled to go to Backerkit's program mid-September.

https://www.backerkit.com/call_to_action/9e22bdbd-510e-4f3d-808e-898715d65a5d/landing?ref=c-main-page

The book has made it into retail channels; I saw it at my FLGS last time I was there.

I should have looked closer before questioning that. 

I would like to see an Imaro RPG get made. It's an afrofantasy setting written by Charles Saunders (rest his soul) that pioneered the sword & soul (sub)genre.

Hmm...  I don't see how 'get woke go broke' still gets bandied about when the Kickstarter generated over $1 million in contributions.

I also don't think it's crazy to suggest buying a book/game that you may not play/read.  I have several RPG books that I bought because I wanted to mine them for ideas more than I actually wanted to play them.  And the fact that it offers A rule system that doesn't focus on violence as the first option for story resolution seems like exactly the kind of thing that is worth looking at in more detail. 

Quote from: deadDMwalking on August 11, 2022, 03:53:53 PM
Hmm...  I don't see how 'get woke go broke' still gets bandied about when the Kickstarter generated over $1 million in contributions.

Ultimate wokeness is putting abstract social change over profit until the country collapses. Its just a question of when. If its not broke enough, its not woke enough.

QuoteI also don't think it's crazy to suggest buying a book/game that you may not play/read.

To use as kindling? Hard to get ideas from something you don't read.

Quote from: deadDMwalking on August 11, 2022, 03:53:53 PM
Hmm...  I don't see how 'get woke go broke' still gets bandied about when the Kickstarter generated over $1 million in contributions.

I also don't think it's crazy to suggest buying a book/game that you may not play/read.  I have several RPG books that I bought because I wanted to mine them for ideas more than I actually wanted to play them.  And the fact that it offers A rule system that doesn't focus on violence as the first option for story resolution seems like exactly the kind of thing that is worth looking at in more detail.

One can raise a million dollars and still go broke. It wouldn't be unheard of for him to spend $990,000 on production and payments to the 20+ people he was paying. If he still comes out ahead by "$10,000" that may still leave him effectively broke if he gave up a day job he was working the past year or so. He mismanaged the project to where he didn't have product to promote at the GenCon booth he paid for (wasted money), an employee of his apparently has hijacked a significant amount of the product (lost product), and he's had to start begging/shaming white people to buy his product. It doesn't sound like things are going great for Coyote and Crow.

Frankly his 2nd Kickstarter he announced looks like it could be a desperate attempt to get more cash quickly to help cover expenses from the 1st Kickstarter. It's a bit irresponsible to start a new Kickstarter when your currency project is in a bit of chaos. If I was someone that worked on the 1st Kickstarter I'd make sure I was fully paid up today, and not accept any assurances to get paid once the money from the 2nd Kickstarter comes in. Don't fall for the trap that you just need to wait a bit longer. Raise hell now. We've seen with other Kickstarters how some incompetents start to roll one Kickstarter to cover the next, and then the next, and then the next until it all comes crashing down.

Maybe Coyote and Crow is in better shape than I think, but just looking at what's been going on of late I'm feeling pessimistic at how this is going to turn out.

Quote from: deadDMwalking on August 11, 2022, 03:53:53 PM
Hmm...  I don't see how 'get woke go broke' still gets bandied about when the Kickstarter generated over $1 million in contributions.

I also don't think it's crazy to suggest buying a book/game that you may not play/read.  I have several RPG books that I bought because I wanted to mine them for ideas more than I actually wanted to play them.  And the fact that it offers A rule system that doesn't focus on violence as the first option for story resolution seems like exactly the kind of thing that is worth looking at in more detail.

1: Then you know nothing of production. Production could have eaten anywhere from a quarter to upwards of half what they made depending on book size and other factors. Unless they over printed, which they may have. In which case they could have far less. Their antics suggest they overprinted or vastly underestimated production cost.

Which is far  far too common.

2: Then why are they begging and threatening people to buy the book? You do not do that when you are swimming in cash. Well. Ok. These creeps might. And yes people buy books alll the time just to say they bought it. Collectors or Virtue spending at its best.

I think the message was directed far more at the RPG.net types than your typical gamer. It's yelling at people who are SCARED TO PLAY THE GAME. It's not yelling at the average gamer who'd pick it up because they were interested and play it like the would any others...

And I have a theory the majority of white people who paid into this and bought it were exactly the RPG.net Non-gamers. The type that wanted to support it because it was a virtue signal that made them feel good about themselves, more than it was a game they were actually interested in playing.

The author now is frustrated because all those folks who ended up buying it, aren't interested in playing any games for it. Which is going to be the death of the game in the long run. Especially if he over promised on Kickstarter stretchmarks.

A million+ Dollars seems like a wild success, until nobody is interested in your game anymore and you end up declaring bankrupty and having to sell the IP to another company. Like what happened with 7th Sea second edition...John Wick got over a million dollars, and delivered an experimental game that made himself happy rather than what everybody wanted. Lo and behold a few years later he has to shut down his company, lay off his employees and sell the IP to Chaosium because nobody cares about it.

As for being a Paleface, I'd reckon he qualifies for Tribal status. Indigenous folks have almost been wiped out genetically, they're a lot less choosey when it comes to Tribal membership these days, because in order to keep their cultures alive, they can't afford to be. If he's being interviewed by tribal websites and he's a tribal member he's probably at least a quarter tribal and likely group up with the traditions. It's a low blow to call him an Elizabeth Warren.