Quote from: Neoplatonist1 on August 06, 2022, 04:41:57 PM
I wonder if white people have permission to LARP this.

Judging from photos of the lead designer I'd say yes.

He claims membership in the Cherokee Nation. Their requirements for membership is that the person be directly descended from a person recorded on Dawes Rolls, a census of people living in Indian Territory between 1898-1906. To be included on the Dawes Rolls, a person had to have 1/4 Cherokee blood. Assuming 4 generations between them and you, you could qualify as a member today with as little as 1/64 Cherokee blood.

https://www.cherokee.org/all-services/tribal-registration/frequently-asked-questions/

Odds are he's not eating crow, or showing shame, or anything like that.
Odds are just a grifter changing tactics to get the last dozen sales out of his product.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 04, 2022, 10:55:22 PM
Get Woke Go Broke, nope, not buying his shit, not playing his shit, hell I wouldn't even pirate it (and pirating shit is a honorable and ancient tradition in México).

Not because I'm white (I am), not because I'm Latino (I am), not because he erased my kind from his world (He did), but because he's a fucking racist POS, just like I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole Varg Vikernes' myfarog for the exact same reason.

BUY MY GAME YOU RACIST PIG!!!!

I hope he never sells another copy.

Quote from: Godsmonkey on August 07, 2022, 10:13:39 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 04, 2022, 10:55:22 PM
Get Woke Go Broke, nope, not buying his shit, not playing his shit, hell I wouldn't even pirate it (and pirating shit is a honorable and ancient tradition in México).

Not because I'm white (I am), not because I'm Latino (I am), not because he erased my kind from his world (He did), but because he's a fucking racist POS, just like I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole Varg Vikernes' myfarog for the exact same reason.

BUY MY GAME YOU RACIST PIG!!!!

I hope he never sells another copy.

To be honest, I was looking at it on Amazon and have considered buying it. More to see what it does with its setting and to look into its mechanics than because of the bullshit reasons the author wants me to buy it for (although he might just get his wish that it'll sit unplayed on the shelf). Rest assured though, I'll be ignoring the idea that I should stick to only what's written on the page just because I'm non-Indiginous. That's just nonsense, but I often argue that a creation shouldn't just be overlooked because it's creator is a shitbag.

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 07, 2022, 10:53:13 AM

Quote from: Godsmonkey on August 07, 2022, 10:13:39 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 04, 2022, 10:55:22 PM
Get Woke Go Broke, nope, not buying his shit, not playing his shit, hell I wouldn't even pirate it (and pirating shit is a honorable and ancient tradition in México).

Not because I'm white (I am), not because I'm Latino (I am), not because he erased my kind from his world (He did), but because he's a fucking racist POS, just like I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole Varg Vikernes' myfarog for the exact same reason.

BUY MY GAME YOU RACIST PIG!!!!

I hope he never sells another copy.

To be honest, I was looking at it on Amazon and have considered buying it. More to see what it does with its setting and to look into its mechanics than because of the bullshit reasons the author wants me to buy it for (although he might just get his wish that it'll sit unplayed on the shelf). Rest assured though, I'll be ignoring the idea that I should stick to only what's written on the page just because I'm non-Indiginous. That's just nonsense, but I often argue that a creation shouldn't just be overlooked because it's creator is a shitbag.

Should I fund a shitbag that hates me? A racist shitbag that hates me for my skin color? No.

You're free to keep giving money to such shitbags of course, I'm not advocating for cancelling the shitbag. I'll however work to try and see nobody wants to buy his shit.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 07, 2022, 10:56:41 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 07, 2022, 10:53:13 AM

Quote from: Godsmonkey on August 07, 2022, 10:13:39 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 04, 2022, 10:55:22 PM
Get Woke Go Broke, nope, not buying his shit, not playing his shit, hell I wouldn't even pirate it (and pirating shit is a honorable and ancient tradition in México).

Not because I'm white (I am), not because I'm Latino (I am), not because he erased my kind from his world (He did), but because he's a fucking racist POS, just like I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole Varg Vikernes' myfarog for the exact same reason.

BUY MY GAME YOU RACIST PIG!!!!

I hope he never sells another copy.

To be honest, I was looking at it on Amazon and have considered buying it. More to see what it does with its setting and to look into its mechanics than because of the bullshit reasons the author wants me to buy it for (although he might just get his wish that it'll sit unplayed on the shelf). Rest assured though, I'll be ignoring the idea that I should stick to only what's written on the page just because I'm non-Indiginous. That's just nonsense, but I often argue that a creation shouldn't just be overlooked because it's creator is a shitbag.

Should I fund a shitbag that hates me? A racist shitbag that hates me for my skin color? No.

You're free to keep giving money to such shitbags of course, I'm not advocating for cancelling the shitbag. I'll however work to try and see nobody wants to buy his shit.

I'm looking at it as a simple transaction: I'm getting something for my money. Does that mean a shitbag makes money? Double yep (Amazon makes money on it too), but that's totally beside the point to me since I'm getting something that might be useful/interesting to me. Of course, it might be that it isn't useful/interesting,  but that's not going to be determined based on the guy behind it being a shitbag; I'll base it on the work itself.

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 07, 2022, 11:20:30 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 07, 2022, 10:56:41 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 07, 2022, 10:53:13 AM

Quote from: Godsmonkey on August 07, 2022, 10:13:39 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 04, 2022, 10:55:22 PM
Get Woke Go Broke, nope, not buying his shit, not playing his shit, hell I wouldn't even pirate it (and pirating shit is a honorable and ancient tradition in México).

Not because I'm white (I am), not because I'm Latino (I am), not because he erased my kind from his world (He did), but because he's a fucking racist POS, just like I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole Varg Vikernes' myfarog for the exact same reason.

BUY MY GAME YOU RACIST PIG!!!!

I hope he never sells another copy.

To be honest, I was looking at it on Amazon and have considered buying it. More to see what it does with its setting and to look into its mechanics than because of the bullshit reasons the author wants me to buy it for (although he might just get his wish that it'll sit unplayed on the shelf). Rest assured though, I'll be ignoring the idea that I should stick to only what's written on the page just because I'm non-Indiginous. That's just nonsense, but I often argue that a creation shouldn't just be overlooked because it's creator is a shitbag.

Should I fund a shitbag that hates me? A racist shitbag that hates me for my skin color? No.

You're free to keep giving money to such shitbags of course, I'm not advocating for cancelling the shitbag. I'll however work to try and see nobody wants to buy his shit.

I'm looking at it as a simple transaction: I'm getting something for my money. Does that mean a shitbag makes money? Double yep (Amazon makes money on it too), but that's totally beside the point to me since I'm getting something that might be useful/interesting to me. Of course, it might be that it isn't useful/interesting,  but that's not going to be determined based on the guy behind it being a shitbag; I'll base it on the work itself.

I was half tempted to get it for similar reasons but it is expensive! I am not sure I can justify that kind of money on a book I know won't get played. Shame the Trove is no longer with us. I used it for exactly this kind of situation.

I'd suggest buying it directly from the website to ensure at the least the sale doesn't get registered with any third party algorithims and encourage this kind of product. Might also be worth a punt emailing him for a pdf copy for a review copy.

Quote from: Visitor Q on August 07, 2022, 12:01:11 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 07, 2022, 11:20:30 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 07, 2022, 10:56:41 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 07, 2022, 10:53:13 AM

Quote from: Godsmonkey on August 07, 2022, 10:13:39 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 04, 2022, 10:55:22 PM
Get Woke Go Broke, nope, not buying his shit, not playing his shit, hell I wouldn't even pirate it (and pirating shit is a honorable and ancient tradition in México).

Not because I'm white (I am), not because I'm Latino (I am), not because he erased my kind from his world (He did), but because he's a fucking racist POS, just like I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole Varg Vikernes' myfarog for the exact same reason.

BUY MY GAME YOU RACIST PIG!!!!

I hope he never sells another copy.

To be honest, I was looking at it on Amazon and have considered buying it. More to see what it does with its setting and to look into its mechanics than because of the bullshit reasons the author wants me to buy it for (although he might just get his wish that it'll sit unplayed on the shelf). Rest assured though, I'll be ignoring the idea that I should stick to only what's written on the page just because I'm non-Indiginous. That's just nonsense, but I often argue that a creation shouldn't just be overlooked because it's creator is a shitbag.

Should I fund a shitbag that hates me? A racist shitbag that hates me for my skin color? No.

You're free to keep giving money to such shitbags of course, I'm not advocating for cancelling the shitbag. I'll however work to try and see nobody wants to buy his shit.

I'm looking at it as a simple transaction: I'm getting something for my money. Does that mean a shitbag makes money? Double yep (Amazon makes money on it too), but that's totally beside the point to me since I'm getting something that might be useful/interesting to me. Of course, it might be that it isn't useful/interesting,  but that's not going to be determined based on the guy behind it being a shitbag; I'll base it on the work itself.

I was half tempted to get it for similar reasons but it is expensive! I am not sure I can justify that kind of money on a book I know won't get played. Shame the Trove is no longer with us. I used it for exactly this kind of situation.

I'd suggest buying it directly from the website to ensure at the least the sale doesn't get registered with any third party algorithims and encourage this kind of product. Might also be worth a punt emailing him for a pdf copy for a review copy.

It's not really any more expensive than the typical hardcover core book, and I've got plenty of disposable income these days (but not enough to start back into GW miniatures).

I absolutely don't give a shit about third party algorithms,  and if it encourages unique products,  then good. I don't think the algorithms are primed to decode whether the creators are assholes, so trying to dodge them isn't necessarily going to help.

I doubt I'd be welcome as a reviewer as the author is pretty clear he doesn't give two shits for a non-Indiginous opinion.

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 07, 2022, 10:53:13 AM
To be honest, I was looking at it on Amazon and have considered buying it. More to see what it does with its setting and to look into its mechanics than because of the bullshit reasons the author wants me to buy it for (although he might just get his wish that it'll sit unplayed on the shelf). Rest assured though, I'll be ignoring the idea that I should stick to only what's written on the page just because I'm non-Indiginous. That's just nonsense, but I often argue that a creation shouldn't just be overlooked because it's creator is a shitbag.

My son got the PDF via the Kickstarter, and I've looked over their copy some by now.

It seems like a workable system. A standard-ish dice pool system with 9 attributes (similar to White Wolf), plus skills and psychic abilities. I like how each skill has two attributes that it is based on. If a character has any training in the skill, they can use the higher of the two attributes. If they don't, they use the lower of the two attributes.

My main issue with the game is that too much is unfamiliar to players. I considered running it at a convention to give it a try, but I feel like most of the convention game session would be learning curve. There's new mechanics, new technology, new psychic powers, plus the new alternate-future culture that the characters live in. To me, it's a bit too much to learn for a one-shot.

Quote from: Godsmonkey on August 07, 2022, 10:13:39 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 04, 2022, 10:55:22 PM
Get Woke Go Broke, nope, not buying his shit, not playing his shit, hell I wouldn't even pirate it (and pirating shit is a honorable and ancient tradition in México).

Not because I'm white (I am), not because I'm Latino (I am), not because he erased my kind from his world (He did), but because he's a fucking racist POS, just like I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole Varg Vikernes' myfarog for the exact same reason.

BUY MY GAME YOU RACIST PIG!!!!

I hope he never sells another copy.

Greetings!

*LAUGHING*!!! Your commentary had me choking on my coffee from laughing so hard!

Fucking awesome. I totally agree, too.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: jhkim on August 07, 2022, 07:36:37 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 07, 2022, 10:53:13 AM
To be honest, I was looking at it on Amazon and have considered buying it. More to see what it does with its setting and to look into its mechanics than because of the bullshit reasons the author wants me to buy it for (although he might just get his wish that it'll sit unplayed on the shelf). Rest assured though, I'll be ignoring the idea that I should stick to only what's written on the page just because I'm non-Indiginous. That's just nonsense, but I often argue that a creation shouldn't just be overlooked because it's creator is a shitbag.

My son got the PDF via the Kickstarter, and I've looked over their copy some by now.

It seems like a workable system. A standard-ish dice pool system with 9 attributes (similar to White Wolf), plus skills and psychic abilities. I like how each skill has two attributes that it is based on. If a character has any training in the skill, they can use the higher of the two attributes. If they don't, they use the lower of the two attributes.

My main issue with the game is that too much is unfamiliar to players. I considered running it at a convention to give it a try, but I feel like most of the convention game session would be learning curve. There's new mechanics, new technology, new psychic powers, plus the new alternate-future culture that the characters live in. To me, it's a bit too much to learn for a one-shot.

How does the amount needed to learn compare with Eclipse Phase, because that seems to have a similar problem in my eyes?

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 07, 2022, 11:58:51 PM
How does the amount needed to learn compare with Eclipse Phase, because that seems to have a similar problem in my eyes?

I can confirm Eclipse Phase is a fucking handful.

Love the premise and the whole idea of the setting, but it will be hard to convince anyone to actually play it.

Quote from: BronzeDragon on August 08, 2022, 12:58:59 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 07, 2022, 11:58:51 PM
How does the amount needed to learn compare with Eclipse Phase, because that seems to have a similar problem in my eyes?

I can confirm Eclipse Phase is a fucking handful.

Love the premise and the whole idea of the setting, but it will be hard to convince anyone to actually play it.

I was so happy that EP2e made it mechanically easier to play the game, but just as disappointed that it didn't make the setting any easier to grok for new players. It's so hard to know what is normal/typical in the setting and what is exotic/weird.

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 07, 2022, 11:58:51 PM
How does the amount needed to learn compare with Eclipse Phase, because that seems to have a similar problem in my eyes?

I had the same problem with Blue Planet. Just when you think you understand the system, the underwater mechanics change things again. I threw the pdf in my Megadrive and never looked at it again.