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Author Topic: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets  (Read 4419 times)

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2022, 10:48:05 AM »
Jesus Christ! The condescending attitude on this POS!


Yeah that was my first thought too.

BTW here’s an interview and photo of this proud Native American

https://tribalbusinessnews.com/sections/entrepreneurism/13394-coyote-and-crow-brings-native-perspective-to-booming-board-game-sector

I've never seen a more Native American looking Native American, and that Native American name!

Seriously tho, the dude is a fucking bigot, a racist and proud to be one too. And is counting on white guilt to make bank.
Why am I not surprised this game was made by an Elizabeth Warren?

Damn, Ninja'd! Didn't read the full thread before my last post. :P

But yeah, as others have said, this game had an interesting concept at its core, if a little implausible (if only Europeans hadn't arrived at the Americas, stone aged Native Americans would've become an advanced futuristic civilization? Okay...  8) ), but gameable in a gonzo kinda way. A game based on actual traditional native cultures, focusing on their customs, beliefs and folklore would've been interesting too. But instead this game had to be made by a self hating relative of Elizabeth Warren talking down to people.
The Aztecs were already developing into a flourishing civilization, although the dearth of domesticated animals would've probably severely delayed their ability to advance.

They had domesticated animals allright, the turkey and the xoloscuintle, but no beasts of burden, no wheel and to be honest probably no math since they took everything from the Maya (who probably took it from the Olmecs).

Just in case you're interested on an accurate depiction of the culture.
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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2022, 10:55:57 AM »
I would almost like to see someone pirate his game, then make a game with the same concepts minus the wokeness and put it on the market and watch him weep when it does better.

Go Woke, go broke.

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #32 on: August 05, 2022, 11:42:05 AM »
Jesus Christ! The condescending attitude on this POS!


Yeah that was my first thought too.

BTW here’s an interview and photo of this proud Native American

https://tribalbusinessnews.com/sections/entrepreneurism/13394-coyote-and-crow-brings-native-perspective-to-booming-board-game-sector

I've never seen a more Native American looking Native American, and that Native American name!

Seriously tho, the dude is a fucking bigot, a racist and proud to be one too. And is counting on white guilt to make bank.
Why am I not surprised this game was made by an Elizabeth Warren?

Damn, Ninja'd! Didn't read the full thread before my last post. :P

But yeah, as others have said, this game had an interesting concept at its core, if a little implausible (if only Europeans hadn't arrived at the Americas, stone aged Native Americans would've become an advanced futuristic civilization? Okay...  8) ), but gameable in a gonzo kinda way. A game based on actual traditional native cultures, focusing on their customs, beliefs and folklore would've been interesting too. But instead this game had to be made by a self hating relative of Elizabeth Warren talking down to people.
The Aztecs were already developing into a flourishing civilization, although the dearth of domesticated animals would've probably severely delayed their ability to advance.

They had domesticated animals allright, the turkey and the xoloscuintle, but no beasts of burden, no wheel and to be honest probably no math since they took everything from the Maya (who probably took it from the Olmecs).

Just in case you're interested on an accurate depiction of the culture.
I checked that out online. Apparently they had wheeled toys, but it's understood that they didn't use wheeled carts because the terrain didn't suit roads. They did have mathematics since that's required to build cities, as well as complex astronomy, but much of their knowledge was lost during the conquest so we don't have a lot of material to work with.

In any case, it's a common trope in alternate history fiction to have the Aztecs develop an advanced civilization and go on to conquer Europe.

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #33 on: August 05, 2022, 11:47:43 AM »
Jesus Christ! The condescending attitude on this POS!


Yeah that was my first thought too.

BTW here’s an interview and photo of this proud Native American

https://tribalbusinessnews.com/sections/entrepreneurism/13394-coyote-and-crow-brings-native-perspective-to-booming-board-game-sector

I've never seen a more Native American looking Native American, and that Native American name!

Seriously tho, the dude is a fucking bigot, a racist and proud to be one too. And is counting on white guilt to make bank.
Why am I not surprised this game was made by an Elizabeth Warren?

Damn, Ninja'd! Didn't read the full thread before my last post. :P

But yeah, as others have said, this game had an interesting concept at its core, if a little implausible (if only Europeans hadn't arrived at the Americas, stone aged Native Americans would've become an advanced futuristic civilization? Okay...  8) ), but gameable in a gonzo kinda way. A game based on actual traditional native cultures, focusing on their customs, beliefs and folklore would've been interesting too. But instead this game had to be made by a self hating relative of Elizabeth Warren talking down to people.
The Aztecs were already developing into a flourishing civilization, although the dearth of domesticated animals would've probably severely delayed their ability to advance.

They had domesticated animals allright, the turkey and the xoloscuintle, but no beasts of burden, no wheel and to be honest probably no math since they took everything from the Maya (who probably took it from the Olmecs).

Just in case you're interested on an accurate depiction of the culture.
I checked that out online. Apparently they had wheeled toys, but it's understood that they didn't use wheeled carts because the terrain didn't suit roads. They did have mathematics since that's required to build cities, as well as complex astronomy, but much of their knowledge was lost during the conquest so we don't have a lot of material to work with.

In any case, it's a common trope in alternate history fiction to have the Aztecs develop an advanced civilization and go on to conquer Europe.

Again, their math and plenty of their religion was taken from the Maya who probably took it from the Olmecs, neither did any advance on those fields (Maya or Aztec) beyond what they took from the previous dominant culture.

Yes, they had wheeled toys, and not enough brains to use wheeled carts even in the cities, yes the orography doesn't lend itself to that in Central México, but in their cities?

Anyhow, they are just more evidence that geographical/environmental determinism is true.

Yes, it is a common trope, and I'm not against it, as long as you (the royal you not YOU) don't try to present it as fact.
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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #34 on: August 05, 2022, 12:05:42 PM »
Wheeled carts are great, but if you already have a way of solving the problem, why bother?

The wheel itself is not some sudden groundbreaking invention. It's the natural evolution of rolling heavy stone blocks on logs. A roundish log is not hard to make. You get tired of shuttling logs back and forth to move your stone block, so you attach the logs to a frame and put your block on top of that.

Innovation is not a question of are we smart enough to figure it out; it's a question of does this improve things over how we currently do it, i.e., why bother? If you have canals, steep rocky terrain, or thick jungle and you also have lots of slaves, the wheeled cart becomes a "why bother" solution.
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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #35 on: August 05, 2022, 12:16:13 PM »

It's a cult of power. The hate is a side effect of needing to dehumanize their "enemies" in order to obtain/retain that power.

Power is a limited resource but the acolytes get a free permission slip to hate. Such permission slip’s are benefits on their own.

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #36 on: August 05, 2022, 01:03:39 PM »
Dang, late to the party.

Yeah, I mean, I wasn't ever going to buy the book based on the racist kickstarter....and this didn't want to make me either. If the dude is trying to do marketing.....it's pretty bad LOL

So they must be sitting on a warehouse of books that ain't selling maybe?
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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #37 on: August 05, 2022, 01:09:20 PM »
Dang, late to the party.

Yeah, I mean, I wasn't ever going to buy the book based on the racist kickstarter....and this didn't want to make me either. If the dude is trying to do marketing.....it's pretty bad LOL

So they must be sitting on a warehouse of books that ain't selling maybe?
There were three copies at one of my local stores. Last I checked, two of those sold, but not to me.

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #38 on: August 05, 2022, 01:15:02 PM »
I've re-read his news post....Boy the dudes frustration is showing ain't it?

Is this a house of cards? Looks like it.
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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #39 on: August 05, 2022, 01:17:38 PM »

It's a cult of power. The hate is a side effect of needing to dehumanize their "enemies" in order to obtain/retain that power.

Power is a limited resource but the acolytes get a free permission slip to hate. Such permission slip’s are benefits on their own.

That depends on how you are defining "power." The woke's trend of trying to dominate markets -- whether that's gaming, comics, film, social media, politics, etc. -- is certainly a powerplay. You're right that the effectiveness of the bully pulpit gives many people "permission" to be as vile as they can, but I maintain that most of it is not simply hate for hate's sake; it's all in service of obtaining or keeping power/supremecy.

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #40 on: August 05, 2022, 01:33:00 PM »
Here's my prediction. If the game/company does go belly up....I'm sure us white racist gamers will get the blame.
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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #41 on: August 05, 2022, 01:40:54 PM »
I would almost like to see someone pirate his game, then make a game with the same concepts minus the wokeness and put it on the market and watch him weep when it does better.

Go Woke, go broke.

Or..or, hear me out. I kickstart a game where, in an alternative timeline, the europeans landed on the shores of North America and found it empty of human life? Because come to find out the indigenous population never crossed the land bridge. And the land was populated with monsters, like terrible cthulhu spawned monsters. Sounds cool to me....but the game would be called racist for erasing the natives I'm sure.
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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #42 on: August 05, 2022, 02:01:58 PM »
Or..or, hear me out. I kickstart a game where, in an alternative timeline, the europeans landed on the shores of North America and found it empty of human life? Because come to find out the indigenous population never crossed the land bridge. And the land was populated with monsters, like terrible cthulhu spawned monsters. Sounds cool to me....but the game would be called racist for erasing the natives I'm sure.
Or there are natives of Siberian origin, but they're confined to the western half of N. America because the decedents of the Vikings rule the eastern half. S. America has all the monsters.
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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #43 on: August 05, 2022, 02:17:26 PM »
Or..or, hear me out. I kickstart a game where, in an alternative timeline, the europeans landed on the shores of North America and found it empty of human life? Because come to find out the indigenous population never crossed the land bridge. And the land was populated with monsters, like terrible cthulhu spawned monsters. Sounds cool to me....but the game would be called racist for erasing the natives I'm sure.
Or there are natives of Siberian origin, but they're confined to the western half of N. America because the decedents of the Vikings rule the eastern half. S. America has all the monsters.

Oh dude, I like the way you think. LOL
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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #44 on: August 05, 2022, 02:41:26 PM »
On another note, I would LOVE a good game book that went into considerable detail about South American/Mexican culture, religion, mythology, all that good stuff.

Years ago, my mother was an ESL teacher to a group mainly of kids from Central America. She was teaching a mythology class and found her kids weren't that interested in the Greek gods. At the time, I had been reading about Mayans to try and figure out if they really did predict the end of the world (and learned that the end of the world would directly contradicted their world view). So my mom asked me to make some powerpoint slides detailing all the various gods and stuff found in Mayan legends (such as the Hunahpu twins). After the class, my mom reported that all the kids were amazed that these things existed as they had never heard of them before.

It was kind of dishearting to learn how much of that culture had been discarded. I would also like to see a fantasy RPG based on a suitably heroic fantasy version Mayan history.

Maybe I can convince my daughter to write one as she's probably a higher percentage of Native American than the dude that wrote Coyote and Crow.
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