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Author Topic: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets  (Read 4415 times)

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2022, 02:56:44 AM »
Jesus Christ! The condescending attitude on this POS!


Yeah that was my first thought too.

BTW here’s an interview and photo of this proud Native American

https://tribalbusinessnews.com/sections/entrepreneurism/13394-coyote-and-crow-brings-native-perspective-to-booming-board-game-sector

I've never seen a more Native American looking Native American, and that Native American name!

Seriously tho, the dude is a fucking bigot, a racist and proud to be one too. And is counting on white guilt to make bank.

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Yep, Hermano! This guy's absolute racism and condescension is disgusting! Geesus!

How about making a good game, simply with a game world or campaign that highlights Indian culture, Native culture, whatever. How about that? This jackass can't do that, though. Creating something like that is what you or I might do. That isn't virtue signaling though, like this jackass. And it isn't creating a game book that celebrates racism, hatred, bigotry, and victimhood, all while using every third paragraph to lecture others about how racist, blind, and insensitive they are.

Libtards should wonder why they so often fail utterly at making good games. They are constantly trying to use gaming as a hammer and pulpit to blather on and on about their goddamned politics, and to somehow "educate" the rest of us. Fucking morons.

On another note, I would LOVE a good game book that went into considerable detail about South American/Mexican culture, religion, mythology, all that good stuff. I would also love a series of good pictures made of different people--men, women, young, old, wearing different styles of local clothing. The colours, the crazy feathers, simple farm clothes, priest-like clothing, warrior's outfits, all the good stuff. A game book that also featured actual regional Mexican recipes, with colour pictures of the dishes, would be good too. Yes, I love wonderful food, and I would be inclined to prepare such food for the gaming group to eat as well! Fuck the Libtards and them always wanting to talk about food. WE love food as well. Fuck them!

But imagine a good game book like that? History, religion, culture, clothing, food, adventure, animal and creatures, magic, war and conquest, society. All inspired and flavoured by Mexico and South America. I would pay $60 dollars for a book like that. That would be a good game book that combines good game plus culture and all the good stuff. Not fucking Libtard politics.

I hope the racist game developer goes broke. "Go Woke, Go Broke!" *Laughing*

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2022, 03:34:06 AM »
This guy reminds me a lot of Rachel Dolezal.  A white person who desperately, achingly doesn't want to be white.  Whatever he claims, he strikes me as someone who doesn't actually know any Indians.  People who do know them, know that they generally don't mind being referred to as "Indians" at all and will even refer to themselves as Indians (or more commonly in my experience, "Indian people."  If you're only referring to one tribe it's far more polite to use the tribal designation, but "Indian" is not taken to be an insult, especially when speaking of multiple tribal identities.

I too have thought that an RPG set in an alternate fantasy version of the Americas with no Europeans would be fantastic.  Anybody remember a movie called "Windwalker" (I think that was the title).  It was set before European contact in North America, had a totally Indian cast and not a damn word of it was in English; it was all subtitled.  And I loved it.  It wasn't a fantasy movie, but it was still great.  Now imagine an RPG like that but with magic, spirits, folkloric creatures like the Wamagemeswak or the "little people" who were the enemies of Hiawatha.  What a great game that would be.

Too bad this flaming hunk of SJW poo-poo "Coyote and Crow" is not it.

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2022, 03:37:27 AM »
This guy reminds me a lot of Rachel Dolezal.  A white person who desperately, achingly doesn't want to be white.  Whatever he claims, he strikes me as someone who doesn't actually know any Indians.  People who do know them, know that they generally don't mind being referred to as "Indians" at all and will even refer to themselves as Indians (or more commonly in my experience, "Indian people."  If you're only referring to one tribe it's far more polite to use the tribal designation, but "Indian" is not taken to be an insult, especially when speaking of multiple tribal identities.

I too have thought that an RPG set in an alternate fantasy version of the Americas with no Europeans would be fantastic.  Anybody remember a movie called "Windwalker" (I think that was the title).  It was set before European contact in North America, had a totally Indian cast and not a damn word of it was in English; it was all subtitled.  And I loved it.  It wasn't a fantasy movie, but it was still great.  Now imagine an RPG like that but with magic, spirits, folkloric creatures like the Wamagemeswak or the "little people" who were the enemies of Hiawatha.  What a great game that would be.

Too bad this flaming hunk of SJW poo-poo "Coyote and Crow" is not it.

I'll second that.  If someone would like to write such a game with authentic cultures, myths, etc sans SJW nonsense, I will buy it.

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2022, 04:31:20 AM »
 :'( Sad. Would've normally been a product I would be interested in, if for at least personal campaign ideas. I've already ran NA-focused campaigns. But this sort of belligerence is off-putting, and makes me worry that the content is more revenge fantasy and struggle sessions than playable.  :'( Could've been a contender.
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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2022, 05:57:01 AM »
Jesus Christ! The condescending attitude on this POS!

Even when this guy is practically BEGGING people to play his game he still can't help himself from talking down to them and treat them like a piece of shit that should feel so lucky to be playing a game given to them by exalted indigenous people like a good "ally". And the guy just can't see how maybe droning on about CuLtUrAl ApPrOpRiAtIoN and constantly pontificating at people about what sort of shit they're allowed or not allowed to do based on their race might send mixed messages when it comes to whether or not white people should be playing a game where only "people of colour" are a character option.

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Okay, let me get into this. First, if you’re concerned that you shouldn’t be playing Coyote & Crow, it’s likely that you’re a white person and you’re worried that playing this game constitutes some form of cultural appropriation or that you would somehow misrepresent Indigenous people during your time playing the game.

I get that instinct. It likely comes from the fact that you’re trying to be an ally to Indigenous folks, probably to POC in general. You’re being “respectful.”

Except – you’re not. You’re not being respectful when you refuse to play Coyote & Crow for that reason. You’re not being an ally. You’re being a shitty person and frankly, you’re being a little racist. Feel free to gasp and fan yourself if you need to. When you’ve finished, please read on

If you play people from other races you're a racist! But if you don't play people from other races you're still a racist! Congrats! You're a racist. Now play my game, ya fucking racist!

"why are white gamers not playing my game?

Oh, they must be worried about being called out for cultural appropiation!"

Skinner meme:

"Am I so out of touch?"

"No, it's the white gamers fault!"


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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2022, 07:06:46 AM »
I think Coyote & Crow must be one of the most literally racist games on the market. Even obviously horrendous neo-Nazi trash like Racial Holy War doesn't change the rules based on what race the real world player is.

No wonder people aren't buying it.

That said it got a lot a lot gushing praise from the usual quarters when it was being Kickstarted so genuinly curious to see what kind of sales figures it actually managed.

Any way of finding this kind of stuff out?

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2022, 07:24:05 AM »
Jesus Christ! The condescending attitude on this POS!


Yeah that was my first thought too.

BTW here’s an interview and photo of this proud Native American

https://tribalbusinessnews.com/sections/entrepreneurism/13394-coyote-and-crow-brings-native-perspective-to-booming-board-game-sector

I've never seen a more Native American looking Native American, and that Native American name!

Seriously tho, the dude is a fucking bigot, a racist and proud to be one too. And is counting on white guilt to make bank.
Why am I not surprised this game was made by an Elizabeth Warren?


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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2022, 07:54:18 AM »
Jesus Christ! The condescending attitude on this POS!


Yeah that was my first thought too.

BTW here’s an interview and photo of this proud Native American

https://tribalbusinessnews.com/sections/entrepreneurism/13394-coyote-and-crow-brings-native-perspective-to-booming-board-game-sector

Of course the guy has to look like he's related to Elizabeth Warren! He's from the same lineage!   ::)

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2022, 08:08:28 AM »
Jesus Christ! The condescending attitude on this POS!


Yeah that was my first thought too.

BTW here’s an interview and photo of this proud Native American

https://tribalbusinessnews.com/sections/entrepreneurism/13394-coyote-and-crow-brings-native-perspective-to-booming-board-game-sector

I've never seen a more Native American looking Native American, and that Native American name!

Seriously tho, the dude is a fucking bigot, a racist and proud to be one too. And is counting on white guilt to make bank.
Why am I not surprised this game was made by an Elizabeth Warren?

Damn, Ninja'd! Didn't read the full thread before my last post. :P

But yeah, as others have said, this game had an interesting concept at its core, if a little implausible (if only Europeans hadn't arrived at the Americas, stone aged Native Americans would've become an advanced futuristic civilization? Okay...  8) ), but gameable in a gonzo kinda way. A game based on actual traditional native cultures, focusing on their customs, beliefs and folklore would've been interesting too. But instead this game had to be made by a self hating relative of Elizabeth Warren talking down to people.

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2022, 08:12:53 AM »
That's an impressive level of entitlement.

It's pretty funny how directly this rant confirms everything the Pundit has ever said about these games in the last paragraph: "Just buy our game because you’re an 'ally' and then put it on your shelf and never play it. That works too."

One of the many problems with working in a movement that depends on lies and entitled nonsense is the ever present danger that the "author" starts to believe his own lies and that his shit doesn't stink.  Taken very far at all, this is death to any artistic work, especially one like a game book that also requires some gimlet eyed objectiveness when evaluating mechanics.

If I didn't know better from plenty of examples, I'd be tempted to think that he was doing this all as a spoof of the SJW movement just to get money in kickstarter while making them look bad at the same time.  But someone doing that on purpose would have been more subtle with the crazy.  :)

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2022, 08:39:25 AM »
An alternate history where European contact with the Americas never occurred is a fascinating premise for a game. It doesn't take much to make it work: perhaps a great plague wiped out most everyone in Europe, Africa, and Asia. Perhaps even indigenous American explorers end up reaching Europe to find the remains of an apocalypse. I don't need to see myself represented in a game in order to enjoy it.

If he had just made a solid game and not bothered with the politics, it could have been different.
Yes, this is why one of our GM's bought it in the first place only to find it full of woke bullshit.  "A message to non-Native American players" was all it took for me to shitcan it.  You're going to create a game that intrinsically antagonizes me, tell me how I must play it, find out people don't want to buy it because of the woke BS contained in it, then continue to gaslight and call me a shitty person because I'm not playing your game?  Go pound sand.  Cowardly mutts like this guy deserve all the disdain us "white people" can throw at him.

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2022, 08:45:36 AM »
That's an impressive level of entitlement.

It's pretty funny how directly this rant confirms everything the Pundit has ever said about these games in the last paragraph: "Just buy our game because you’re an 'ally' and then put it on your shelf and never play it. That works too."

If I didn't know better from plenty of examples, I'd be tempted to think that he was doing this all as a spoof of the SJW movement just to get money in kickstarter while making them look bad at the same time.  But someone doing that on purpose would have been more subtle with the crazy.  :)

I think it topped $1million on Kickstarter. That's enough to tempt me to do a bit of SJW hustling. Though I'd have the common decency to afterwards thank everyone involved, buy my new house and quietly walk away. 

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2022, 09:25:23 AM »
Jesus Christ! The condescending attitude on this POS!


Yeah that was my first thought too.

BTW here’s an interview and photo of this proud Native American

https://tribalbusinessnews.com/sections/entrepreneurism/13394-coyote-and-crow-brings-native-perspective-to-booming-board-game-sector

I've never seen a more Native American looking Native American, and that Native American name!

Seriously tho, the dude is a fucking bigot, a racist and proud to be one too. And is counting on white guilt to make bank.
Why am I not surprised this game was made by an Elizabeth Warren?

Damn, Ninja'd! Didn't read the full thread before my last post. :P

But yeah, as others have said, this game had an interesting concept at its core, if a little implausible (if only Europeans hadn't arrived at the Americas, stone aged Native Americans would've become an advanced futuristic civilization? Okay...  8) ), but gameable in a gonzo kinda way. A game based on actual traditional native cultures, focusing on their customs, beliefs and folklore would've been interesting too. But instead this game had to be made by a self hating relative of Elizabeth Warren talking down to people.
The Aztecs were already developing into a flourishing civilization, although the dearth of domesticated animals would've probably severely delayed their ability to advance.

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2022, 09:36:19 AM »
He went out of his way to make whites feel uncomfortable playing his game, but now he’s demanding they buy his game, and they’re racist if they don’t buy his game because they were made uncomfortable by his language that could only make whites uncomfortable if they took his words seriously. (Nevermind Latinos that his setting deliberately eliminates in order to set up his racially pure wankfest, since their existence would preclude the ideology of his game.) Now he says he shouldn’t have needed to write all those words instructing people how to play his RPG based on their race. Well, dude, no you shouldn’t have written those words to begin with, but you needed that sweet validation of virtue-signaling.

I read the if you don't buy it you aren't an ally and a racist line  I probably wasn't going to buy this game anyway, and no I definitely will not and I will tell everyone I know never to buy this game.  Fuck that guy.

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Re: Coyote and Crow made sure to shame white people, now has regrets
« Reply #29 on: August 05, 2022, 10:21:31 AM »