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Author Topic: Considering getting back into TTRPGs, Out of them since 2016  (Read 8037 times)

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Re: Considering getting back into TTRPGs, Out of them since 2016
« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2021, 11:58:36 PM »
You'd better pray we're deluded fools.

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Re: Considering getting back into TTRPGs, Out of them since 2016
« Reply #31 on: October 16, 2021, 12:03:01 AM »
You'd better pray we're deluded fools.
Because some other shitty show will preach at me when I'm not watching it?

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Re: Considering getting back into TTRPGs, Out of them since 2016
« Reply #32 on: October 16, 2021, 12:46:59 AM »
I am impressed to your commitment @Happy. It doesn't matter how many people explain it to you, or offer our direct experience, or show ways we've been actively harmed / impacted. You just laugh at / insult anyone who disagrees with your narrative.

As I've stated elsewhere I'm a liberal who was recently, and unwillingly redpilled. When you start having opportunities taken away because of the color of your skin, and your gender, you sit up and take notice. I am an author. I make my living selling books. This hit me hard and personally.

Here's the list of things off the top of my head we've lost of late

- We lost the Hugos
- We lost the nebulas
- Ghostbusters 2016 blatantly crapped all over men, and was embraced
- Supergirl, the Flash, and all the other DC properties are vehicles for activism and don't even pretend to have a story any more
- Superman is bisexual
- Most of the big conventions are now more concerned with microaggressions than content
- D&D just jettisoned age, height, and weight. How does that not penetrate your cloud of cognitive dissonance?
- Magic cards like Stone Throwing Devils have been banned with no stated justification.
- Luke Skywalker is a washed up old hermit who betrayed everything he taught us to believe in growing up
- The skin color and gender of the vast majority of people who played and built this hobby is now literally problematic. You know this is the case, or you're willfully blind. I have lost speaking gigs and podcast interviews, and they've been candid that immutable characteristics are the reason why.
- Actor friends are being told that they're not a good fit...because of their skin color.

I could go on, and on, and on, but I feel like you'd just go down the list and discredit each, or more likely, fire back an insult and a dismissal because your cognitive dissonance demands you look away from the truth.

Our culture is being engineered. George Orwell posited that if the first half of the 21st century was about technical engineering, then the second half would be about social engineering, and that after that would come world domination. Whether it's 1984, or A Brave New World, we're not going to like the outcome.

You can remain willfully blind, but too many people here have seen too much for your nonsense to gain any traction. Keep trying though. It's fun to watch.

Greetings!

Chris,you are spot on with your observations and examples. All of them are very true, and even the seemingly "meaningless bits" are reflective of deeper, disturbing dynamics and corrupting influence. There are very good reasons why millions of people across the country are waking up--and becoming enraged--at all of the Marxist BS being pumped into our society. Notice how interesting school board meetings have become now from across the country? ;D

It is also fun and interesting how many forum members here have HappyDaze on their Ignore List. ;D

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Re: Considering getting back into TTRPGs, Out of them since 2016
« Reply #33 on: October 16, 2021, 08:19:58 AM »
Note that if you argue with Happy, you are derailing the topic, which is his goal.  If you make the conversation about him, you've also derailed the topic and helped him meet his goal.  He does not want people to get useful information about gaming from this forum, especially new members.

So meanwhile back on the topic ...

How hard is it to find gamers right now who just want to play damn RPGs and not bring contemporary crap into it? Where are effective places to actually find them? Is there anything non-D&D, non-Paizo that people are actually playing in large numbers?

Harder than it once was, not impossible.  Since you said you like to GM, you've surmounted the first, most difficult barrier to starting up a niche game. 

First, if the GM runs a good game of anything,  you can get players worth having. 

However, some of them may be casual players.  They may not be up for a serious pretend elf game that happens with focused dedication 3-4 hours every week or every other week.  They probably won't be up for a really involved system (at least not right out of the gate) or switching systems often.  Once they start having fun and develop some trust for you as a GM, they'll be willing to try more of that.

With the friends and family and acquaintances not the best avenue in your case, you'll have to explore a little and takes some chances.  If some of those people haven't gone completely off the rails and might be interested, set up a casual game and see what happens.  If you get a player or two out of it, they may know more like-minded people you can invite to try. 

Hide a lot of the complexity of whatever system you use (even, say, 1980's Basic D&D) from these players until they seem ready for it.  Use pregens or at least a simplified form of decision making in character building.  Try to have it where they can make their first characters in 30 minutes, and once they know how can do it in no more than 15.  Then launch them into a simple game with some obvious decisions.  Remember that anything that might seem old hat to you is all new to them. 

If you find a dedicated gamer out of this early bunch or someone that is becoming one, get them to help you.  Think specifically about how to make it fun to recruit casuals, get them having fun right away, and then learning the game gradually.  Even one "expert" on the other side of the screen helps a lot, especially if that expert is onboard with bringing them into the game (i.e. not dominating the game but keeping the party unstuck).

Your eventual goal is to host somewhere that you or a like-minded member of the group is in control.  Ideal is home or apartment.  Next best is some reasonably private room in a public venue.  You want this game to be "invitation only".  As the group grows, you want everyone explicitly aware of why they were invited and the criteria for new members.  At a minimum, it has to include the "no politics" clause you want plus a "good fit for the group".  If you find good players that don't fit with the group but you like, give serious consideration to starting a second group.  (My criteria is that I won't game with anyone that I wouldn't invite to my home for some other reason, such as a dinner or some other activity.) 

Getting there, is the conundrum that you want to vet players to see if they fit but to do so you have to temporarily bring them partially into the venue and/or group.  There's no perfect answer to that, and it very much depends on what is available.  This is where starting a separate online game may be useful even if it isn't your first choice--specifically starting such a game with online players that are reasonably local and could be invited to the table later.  You'd be surprised what kind of radius that can cover too.  I've had players drive 2+ hours one way for a game.

Next hardest part after finding a GM is getting started.  Because as soon as you have a couple of players worth keeping, it's easier to get more.  So don't get discouraged if it takes some floundering to get to that point, because that's where it can begin to take off.

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Re: Considering getting back into TTRPGs, Out of them since 2016
« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2021, 07:02:17 AM »
Depending on where you live, you could look to see if there is any gamer guilds/groups in the area. Also if there are any conventions. They might be on facebook or some other social app.

As far as gaming people go, most are fine and keep politics and such out of games.

I do agree with having a contract or declaration about "rules" for gaming but nothing to the level of X-cards, or check lists on what topics are okay. I have personal reasons for doing it. Outside of that usual stuff for making characters no evil, or as I am running Necessary Evil no psychotic evil, essentially overall your character can fit with other PCs; you can make that anti-social loner character but they need to still going on adventure/missions/tasks with the others.

So document is pretty basic, but it included what I expect from players: attendance,  "don't assume to worst", if there is an issue please contact me, please pay attention and focused on game, no RL agenda in game, don't bury an issue and let it stew. Just basic stuff that is usually unsaid but something that I am terrible at communicating and understanding.

The other half is what players can expect from me: number of people needed to run a session, "don't assume the worst", if there is an issue I will contact you, if we are incompatible I will ask you to leave (very rare only 2 people so far), scheduling and communication.



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Re: Considering getting back into TTRPGs, Out of them since 2016
« Reply #35 on: October 18, 2021, 06:41:52 PM »
The "meaningless bits" have great meaning.
Only to the deluded fools that feel they are fighting a culture war through nonsense. "Oh nooo, weez lost the battle for the Arrowverse..."


I originally gave you the benefit of the doubt, but can now see that you are simply using that Saul Alinsky trick of simply denying and disrupting. No matter what evidence or how much is presented you will simply deny it and pretend to be "rational." I warned you not to try it with me around, but so be it. You are now on my "Ignore" list, and I advise anyone else here to do the same.
I'm 55. My profile won't record this. It's only right younger members know how old I am.

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Re: Considering getting back into TTRPGs, Out of them since 2016
« Reply #36 on: October 18, 2021, 07:08:52 PM »
The "meaningless bits" have great meaning.
Only to the deluded fools that feel they are fighting a culture war through nonsense. "Oh nooo, weez lost the battle for the Arrowverse..."


I originally gave you the benefit of the doubt, but can now see that you are simply using that Saul Alinsky trick of simply denying and disrupting. No matter what evidence or how much is presented you will simply deny it and pretend to be "rational." I warned you not to try it with me around, but so be it. You are now on my "Ignore" list, and I advise anyone else here to do the same.
So you're using the method you claim I'm using and deny that you're spewing nonsensical shit while trying to get others to bury their heads in your ass and not listen to me. Good luck.

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Re: Considering getting back into TTRPGs, Out of them since 2016
« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2021, 07:30:51 PM »
The "meaningless bits" have great meaning.
Only to the deluded fools that feel they are fighting a culture war through nonsense. "Oh nooo, weez lost the battle for the Arrowverse..."


I originally gave you the benefit of the doubt, but can now see that you are simply using that Saul Alinsky trick of simply denying and disrupting. No matter what evidence or how much is presented you will simply deny it and pretend to be "rational." I warned you not to try it with me around, but so be it. You are now on my "Ignore" list, and I advise anyone else here to do the same.

Way ahead of you, HappyDerp is high on his own farts at least of a disingenuos actor at worst.
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Re: Considering getting back into TTRPGs, Out of them since 2016
« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2021, 09:30:52 PM »
The "meaningless bits" have great meaning.
Only to the deluded fools that feel they are fighting a culture war through nonsense. "Oh nooo, weez lost the battle for the Arrowverse..."


I originally gave you the benefit of the doubt, but can now see that you are simply using that Saul Alinsky trick of simply denying and disrupting. No matter what evidence or how much is presented you will simply deny it and pretend to be "rational." I warned you not to try it with me around, but so be it. You are now on my "Ignore" list, and I advise anyone else here to do the same.

Way ahead of you, HappyDerp is high on his own farts at least of a disingenuos actor at worst.
Your denial is obvious, and your inability to grasp it is sad. I pity you.

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Re: Considering getting back into TTRPGs, Out of them since 2016
« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2021, 09:53:52 PM »
The "meaningless bits" have great meaning.
Only to the deluded fools that feel they are fighting a culture war through nonsense. "Oh nooo, weez lost the battle for the Arrowverse..."


I originally gave you the benefit of the doubt, but can now see that you are simply using that Saul Alinsky trick of simply denying and disrupting. No matter what evidence or how much is presented you will simply deny it and pretend to be "rational." I warned you not to try it with me around, but so be it. You are now on my "Ignore" list, and I advise anyone else here to do the same.

Way ahead of you, HappyDerp is high on his own farts at least of a disingenuos actor at worst.
Your denial is obvious, and your inability to grasp it is sad. I pity you.

That's funny. I feel like a lot of us were about to say the same thing about you.

I pity you Happy, and I mean that genuinely. I'd never put you on ignore, because I want to be here when you wake up. Someday you will understand what we were saying, and why. I don't believe you're a troll. I believe you genuinely think the lot of us are full of shit.

You've been incredibly rude to so many of us, just outright insulting our opinions, and our character. And you never seem to realize that you exist here to prove we are right. Your posts have done more than anything I could have said to show just how far along this culture war is, and how blatantly hostile those persecuting it have become.

I wonder if you'd speak to me in person the way you do here. Somehow I doubt it. The funny thing about leftists is they're brave when in a faceless crowd wearing a mask. They're brave when they can hide behind anonymity. But put them in a situation where they have to treat someone with respect or risk an ass kicking? I bet you're a meek little rabbit in person.

You're a small yappy dog, with about the same level of intelligence.

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Re: Considering getting back into TTRPGs, Out of them since 2016
« Reply #40 on: October 18, 2021, 09:57:37 PM »
The "meaningless bits" have great meaning.
Only to the deluded fools that feel they are fighting a culture war through nonsense. "Oh nooo, weez lost the battle for the Arrowverse..."


I originally gave you the benefit of the doubt, but can now see that you are simply using that Saul Alinsky trick of simply denying and disrupting. No matter what evidence or how much is presented you will simply deny it and pretend to be "rational." I warned you not to try it with me around, but so be it. You are now on my "Ignore" list, and I advise anyone else here to do the same.

Way ahead of you, HappyDerp is high on his own farts at least of a disingenuos actor at worst.
Your denial is obvious, and your inability to grasp it is sad. I pity you.

That's funny. I feel like a lot of us were about to say the same thing about you.

I pity you Happy, and I mean that genuinely. I'd never put you on ignore, because I want to be here when you wake up. Someday you will understand what we were saying, and why. I don't believe you're a troll. I believe you genuinely think the lot of us are full of shit.

You've been incredibly rude to so many of us, just outright insulting our opinions, and our character. And you never seem to realize that you exist here to prove we are right. Your posts have done more than anything I could have said to show just how far along this culture war is, and how blatantly hostile those persecuting it have become.

I wonder if you'd speak to me in person the way you do here. Somehow I doubt it. The funny thing about leftists is they're brave when in a faceless crowd wearing a mask. They're brave when they can hide behind anonymity. But put them in a situation where they have to treat someone with respect or risk an ass kicking? I bet you're a meek little rabbit in person.

You're a small yappy dog, with about the same level of intelligence.
Come at me bro. You want to talk tough?

I do call people on their shit to their faces all the time. Come visit Disney World and we can meet up for a chat.

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Re: Considering getting back into TTRPGs, Out of them since 2016
« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2021, 10:07:05 PM »
So let me see if I understand this correctly, you work at Disney World and you want me to come 1 v 1 you? How do you see that playing out? I kind of feel like your employer might frown on you assaulting a guest.

I speak at conferences all the time, and am regularly in Florida. You're a chicken shit user name. I'm a real person, who can easily be found. My address is public, and so is the list of conferences I'm speaking at this year and next.

I'm a power lifter with a rage problem. I have no reason to go to Disney World, because I don't give money to people who hate me. You want to meet up? Let's find a nice quite park where no one will interrupt our discussion. I stand up for my beliefs and principles, and here's a reminder, shit bag...

You're the only person in this thread, or any of the others, who came out swinging. You attack everyone. I was polite to you, and willing to discuss. Now I see you're like I said...

...a useless, pathetic, yappy little dog. You take issue with me saying that? Well you know where to find me.

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Re: Considering getting back into TTRPGs, Out of them since 2016
« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2021, 10:10:23 PM »
So let me see if I understand this correctly, you work at Disney World and you want me to come 1 v 1 you? How do you see that playing out? I kind of feel like your employer might frown on you assaulting a guest.

I speak at conferences all the time, and am regularly in Florida. You're a chicken shit user name. I'm a real person, who can easily be found. My address is public, and so is the list of conferences I'm speaking at this year and next.

I'm a power lifter with a rage problem. I have no reason to go to Disney World, because I don't give money to people who hate me. You want to meet up? Let's find a nice quite park where no one will interrupt our discussion. I stand up for my beliefs and principles, and here's a reminder, shit bag...

You're the only person in this thread, or any of the others, who came out swinging. You attack everyone. I was polite to you, and willing to discuss. Now I see you're like I said...

...a useless, pathetic, yappy little dog. You take issue with me saying that? Well you know where to find me.
No dumbass, I don't work at Disney, but it's a great place to meet all kinds of people. Also, I said have a chat...are you the one that's going to escalate to violence? Oh, you have a rage problem? I'll be sure to forward that information to the police and we'll keep our meeting on film. So, wanna meet up for a talk or can you not control yourself, bitch?

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Re: Considering getting back into TTRPGs, Out of them since 2016
« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2021, 10:17:52 PM »
I can control myself just fine, and I didn't suggest any sort of escalation to violence. I just implied that if you started anything I would break you and leave you in a pile of your own blood. I don't like to fight. But I have been in many fights.

Your post said, and I quote, "Come at me bro." How else would you suggest I take that? That sounds like you, aforementioned pathetic yappy dog, challenging me to a fight. You suggested we meet up in real life for a "chat" which you're clearly intimating is meant to be a fight where you kick my ass.

I'm calling your bluff. You're a pathetic nobody who lashes out at people on a gaming forum. I didn't start this. I prefer being cordial, and civil. But you're insulting an dismissive, so I answer you in the tone you use.

My life is verifiable. On what grounds do you think I'm a bitch?

I stand by my original assertion. You're a pathetic, yappy, nothing. Your logic is lacking. Your arguments are weak. That upsets you, so you attack people.

When half a forum has you on ignore, and the other just thinks you're a prick, at what point does the possibility that you're in the wrong cross your mind?

Come insult me in public and try and make it a legal problem with the cops, and watch how quickly I turn that back on you. Yap. Yap yap.

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Re: Considering getting back into TTRPGs, Out of them since 2016
« Reply #44 on: October 18, 2021, 10:54:00 PM »
I can control myself just fine, and I didn't suggest any sort of escalation to violence. I just implied that if you started anything I would break you and leave you in a pile of your own blood. I don't like to fight. But I have been in many fights.
The level of irony is off the charts.