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Author Topic: Considering getting back into TTRPGs, Out of them since 2016  (Read 8029 times)

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Re: Considering getting back into TTRPGs, Out of them since 2016
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2021, 03:12:11 AM »
In the past, I have almost exclusively GMed, so that's what I would prefer. I realized now I also misstated one thing: when I said non-D&D, I meant non-WotC D&D. Basic, 1e, 2e, or an OSR game I'd be perfectly up for, but I'm just not sure how much of an actual playerbase any of those have at this point.

If you are willing to GM you should not have much trouble finding players via eg FLGS ads, social media, et al - Roll20 if online will have you spoiled for choice, though most of the initial players will flake.

Re OSR, Basic Fantasy RPG is particularly popular among more casual players as it sells printed at-cost on amazon, or free downloads at basicfantasy.org - but you can run eg 1e no problem either. It's finding a non-5e game that is tough, not offering one. I advertised Mini Six on Roll20 & got players! :) But you need to be willing to welcome newbies who have not played before.

The SJWs who are so active online IME mostly do not actually *play* RPGs at all (except maybe occasionally at conventions, where virtue signalling can be the main point), so you see very little of them in actual play groups. They are a danger to navigate when posting an advert, not really an issue in the actual play group.

Edit: If you do want to recruit fellow grognards, dragonsfoot.org has a good looking-for-game forum.

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Re: Considering getting back into TTRPGs, Out of them since 2016
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2021, 03:25:07 AM »
How hard is it to find gamers right now who just want to play damn RPGs and not bring contemporary crap into it? Where are effective places to actually find them? Is there anything non-D&D, non-Paizo that people are actually playing in large numbers?
I find new players on YouTube. New players find me there, also. I'm a niche player though. I don't do D&D, which is vastly more popular and has way more players.

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Re: Considering getting back into TTRPGs, Out of them since 2016
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2021, 02:39:03 PM »
You don't get it, do you HappyDaze?

The whole point of leftism is to infiltrate and ruin. The only reason one can run a game as he wishes at this time is only- and I want you to say that word 1,000 time ONLY- because they haven't gained the ability to force everyone to play it their way everywhere. Yet.

Here is the chain of "logic" they follow. I will keep it basic for you:


1) Leftism is about goodness and environmentalism (yeah keep buying those iPhones and such) and equal rights and love and etc.

2) Therefore anyone who is NOT a leftist opposes these things.

3) Therefore anyone who opposes these things is a Nazi.

4) We all know that Nazis deserve death.

5) Therefore anyone who opposes leftism deserves death.


Either you are hopelessly unaware of what has been happening or you are "trolling" here. For your sake I will assume the former. I have been on this mudball for over half a century and have seen it happening over the span of decades, noticing how it died down in the early 1980's (the imminent threat of WW3 had that effect).

Look at what happened to the "Dragonlance" project at WotC. Those two people actually agreed to the "compromises," yet they were still cancelled. Read that part again and again, HappyDaze- they AGREED to the demands, but were still cancelled. Hopefully even you can see that the whole procedure was nothing more than the hope they would disagree to something and that would be the excuse to get rid of them.

I myself have come under fire from some leftists about my own writings and pictures. Not many, granted, but I am a relatively obscure artist whose perspective tutorials are the most viewed things.

My advice stands, even if you do not comprehend it. By laying down the rules from the start- I'll try to explain it this way- everyone knows what exactly they are getting into. Therefore nobody has any business complaining about something. If I promise an adventure somewhere between "The Hobbit" and "Night of the Rabbit" but deliver something that makes "Game of Thrones" look like "The Little Koala" cartoons, then yes people have a right to complain- I misrepresented the game. I lied. But if I am honest and the game works that way how in any sane universe is that "raging," HappyDaze?

The problem is people infiltrating known things with their agendas. Perhaps you haven't heard about "James Bond," "Star Wars," "Star Trek," "Marvel," "DC," "Dr. Who," etc? NOTHING can be free of their agenda, it's just that right now they haven't the means nor the power to bring everything under their control. But they sure have come quite a ways since 1981, haven't they?
I'm not unaware of this line of bullshit, I just call it for what it is: bullshit.

There's no infiltation going on other than in the heads of the jackasses like you that actually believe the nonsense you read on the internet.



Sorry to say, but you either have your head stuck so far in the sand you can find oil or you choose to ignore the obvious. How is it possible for any sane person to ignore the leftist infiltration that has been going on for years now? "Orcs are racist tropes." How is that NOT leftist infiltration? Making male white heterosexual heroes into "diversity" (e.g. Thor) or ruining existing ones (Luke Skywalker, Jean-Luc Picard), etc.

I've caught some flack over my characters from leftists, and I'm an obscure artist. So don't deny the obvious to someone like me- you will lose.   

Are you attempting a Saul Alinsky tactic on someone who has seen it time and again or are you just that incredibly in denial?


To the original poster: if you are trying to start a game, make sure the rules and aspects of the game are made clear from the start. This way anyone trying to join knows what to expect. If someone starts causing trouble over some "ism" then you know you have a troublemaker, because that someone knew what the game was all about from the beginning. Why else would someone join a game they'd have issues with if not to disrupt it somehow?
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Re: Considering getting back into TTRPGs, Out of them since 2016
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2021, 02:48:34 PM »
Griswald,

Mr. Daze's sole purpose in being on this board consists of derailing useful discussions. There's no point in responding to him in any fashion, especially if doing so is going to have you drifting off-topic. Even when he backs away a little, he's just setting up for the next round.  Don't feed the troll. 

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« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2021, 02:51:16 PM »
You don't get it, do you HappyDaze?

The whole point of leftism is to infiltrate and ruin. The only reason one can run a game as he wishes at this time is only- and I want you to say that word 1,000 time ONLY- because they haven't gained the ability to force everyone to play it their way everywhere. Yet.

Here is the chain of "logic" they follow. I will keep it basic for you:


1) Leftism is about goodness and environmentalism (yeah keep buying those iPhones and such) and equal rights and love and etc.

2) Therefore anyone who is NOT a leftist opposes these things.

3) Therefore anyone who opposes these things is a Nazi.

4) We all know that Nazis deserve death.

5) Therefore anyone who opposes leftism deserves death.


Either you are hopelessly unaware of what has been happening or you are "trolling" here. For your sake I will assume the former. I have been on this mudball for over half a century and have seen it happening over the span of decades, noticing how it died down in the early 1980's (the imminent threat of WW3 had that effect).

Look at what happened to the "Dragonlance" project at WotC. Those two people actually agreed to the "compromises," yet they were still cancelled. Read that part again and again, HappyDaze- they AGREED to the demands, but were still cancelled. Hopefully even you can see that the whole procedure was nothing more than the hope they would disagree to something and that would be the excuse to get rid of them.

I myself have come under fire from some leftists about my own writings and pictures. Not many, granted, but I am a relatively obscure artist whose perspective tutorials are the most viewed things.

My advice stands, even if you do not comprehend it. By laying down the rules from the start- I'll try to explain it this way- everyone knows what exactly they are getting into. Therefore nobody has any business complaining about something. If I promise an adventure somewhere between "The Hobbit" and "Night of the Rabbit" but deliver something that makes "Game of Thrones" look like "The Little Koala" cartoons, then yes people have a right to complain- I misrepresented the game. I lied. But if I am honest and the game works that way how in any sane universe is that "raging," HappyDaze?

The problem is people infiltrating known things with their agendas. Perhaps you haven't heard about "James Bond," "Star Wars," "Star Trek," "Marvel," "DC," "Dr. Who," etc? NOTHING can be free of their agenda, it's just that right now they haven't the means nor the power to bring everything under their control. But they sure have come quite a ways since 1981, haven't they?
I'm not unaware of this line of bullshit, I just call it for what it is: bullshit.

There's no infiltation going on other than in the heads of the jackasses like you that actually believe the nonsense you read on the internet.



Sorry to say, but you either have your head stuck so far in the sand you can find oil or you choose to ignore the obvious. How is it possible for any sane person to ignore the leftist infiltration that has been going on for years now? "Orcs are racist tropes." How is that NOT leftist infiltration? Making male white heterosexual heroes into "diversity" (e.g. Thor) or ruining existing ones (Luke Skywalker, Jean-Luc Picard), etc.

I've caught some flack over my characters from leftists, and I'm an obscure artist. So don't deny the obvious to someone like me- you will lose.   

Are you attempting a Saul Alinsky tactic on someone who has seen it time and again or are you just that incredibly in denial?


To the original poster: if you are trying to start a game, make sure the rules and aspects of the game are made clear from the start. This way anyone trying to join knows what to expect. If someone starts causing trouble over some "ism" then you know you have a troublemaker, because that someone knew what the game was all about from the beginning. Why else would someone join a game they'd have issues with if not to disrupt it somehow?
You're taking the shit of a few vocal jackals on the internet way too seriously. Get your head out of your ass and realize that the internet isn't representing how most people really are. The people on the internet only have the power over you that you give them.

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Re: Considering getting back into TTRPGs, Out of them since 2016
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2021, 02:53:25 PM »
Griswald,

Mr. Daze's sole purpose in being on this board consists of derailing useful discussions. There's no point in responding to him in any fashion, especially if doing so is going to have you drifting off-topic. Even when he backs away a little, he's just setting up for the next round.  Don't feed the troll.
That's not true at all. I discuss gaming. I do troll the armchair Culture Warriors that think they are making some kind of grand stand when they're just idiots stuck Ina massive LARP.

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« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2021, 03:59:33 PM »
Nah - WotC owns D&D, and they're giving cover to the minority of Turdlagtites dripping their shit to the consumers below.

Give them nothing.

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« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2021, 04:35:06 PM »
Happy Daze is our resident retard. Don't block him if you enjoy cringe humor or you'll miss his inadvertently amusing posts where he thinks he's trolling his foes while gobbling Tide pods and foaming at the mouth.

4) Non-D&D Systems - the moment you go Non-D&D you're going to start climbing a hill to find players. THAT'S OKAY. The key then becomes your responsibility in deciding what game you wanna play.

I'm gonna debate this point somewhat. I think the hill climb is minimal.

I find that many players just want to have fun playing something. Most default to D&D because that's what most are playing BUT I have found that its pretty easy to put together a group who are open to new games IF that's how you recruit them.

AKA, a "We Try New Stuff" gaming group that rotates GMs and/or games on some regular cycle and the players are those who are excited by trying RPGs the never or rarely played before.

Of course, its easier to make this happen with a new group recruited with this premise up front than to alter a group whose reason for existence is to play D&D. This is especially easy when recuiting players are vocal about "I'll try anything", but even with them, I'd narrow down favorite group genres and playstyles in advance so they match up with the GM's preferences.

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Re: Considering getting back into TTRPGs, Out of them since 2016
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2021, 06:12:48 PM »
Sorry to say, but you either have your head stuck so far in the sand you can find oil or you choose to ignore the obvious. How is it possible for any sane person to ignore the leftist infiltration that has been going on for years now?
HappyDaze doesn't believe in SJWs or Cancel Culture. Or they are both of them.

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Re: Considering getting back into TTRPGs, Out of them since 2016
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2021, 07:20:41 PM »
That's not true at all. I discuss gaming. I do troll the armchair Culture Warriors that think they are making some kind of grand stand when they're just idiots stuck Ina massive LARP.

A quick perusal of your post history suggests otherwise.
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Re: Considering getting back into TTRPGs, Out of them since 2016
« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2021, 10:05:02 PM »
That's not true at all. I discuss gaming. I do troll the armchair Culture Warriors that think they are making some kind of grand stand when they're just idiots stuck Ina massive LARP.

A quick perusal of your post history suggests otherwise.
Really? Is that perhaps because there's so much more of the political nonsense to laugh at and far less actual gaming talk going on? I think so.

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« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2021, 11:34:36 PM »
I am impressed to your commitment @Happy. It doesn't matter how many people explain it to you, or offer our direct experience, or show ways we've been actively harmed / impacted. You just laugh at / insult anyone who disagrees with your narrative.

As I've stated elsewhere I'm a liberal who was recently, and unwillingly redpilled. When you start having opportunities taken away because of the color of your skin, and your gender, you sit up and take notice. I am an author. I make my living selling books. This hit me hard and personally.

Here's the list of things off the top of my head we've lost of late

- We lost the Hugos
- We lost the nebulas
- Ghostbusters 2016 blatantly crapped all over men, and was embraced
- Supergirl, the Flash, and all the other DC properties are vehicles for activism and don't even pretend to have a story any more
- Superman is bisexual
- Most of the big conventions are now more concerned with microaggressions than content
- D&D just jettisoned age, height, and weight. How does that not penetrate your cloud of cognitive dissonance?
- Magic cards like Stone Throwing Devils have been banned with no stated justification.
- Luke Skywalker is a washed up old hermit who betrayed everything he taught us to believe in growing up
- The skin color and gender of the vast majority of people who played and built this hobby is now literally problematic. You know this is the case, or you're willfully blind. I have lost speaking gigs and podcast interviews, and they've been candid that immutable characteristics are the reason why.
- Actor friends are being told that they're not a good fit...because of their skin color.

I could go on, and on, and on, but I feel like you'd just go down the list and discredit each, or more likely, fire back an insult and a dismissal because your cognitive dissonance demands you look away from the truth.

Our culture is being engineered. George Orwell posited that if the first half of the 21st century was about technical engineering, then the second half would be about social engineering, and that after that would come world domination. Whether it's 1984, or A Brave New World, we're not going to like the outcome.

You can remain willfully blind, but too many people here have seen too much for your nonsense to gain any traction. Keep trying though. It's fun to watch.

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« Reply #27 on: October 15, 2021, 11:40:31 PM »
I am impressed to your commitment @Happy. It doesn't matter how many people explain it to you, or offer our direct experience, or show ways we've been actively harmed / impacted. You just laugh at / insult anyone who disagrees with your narrative.

As I've stated elsewhere I'm a liberal who was recently, and unwillingly redpilled. When you start having opportunities taken away because of the color of your skin, and your gender, you sit up and take notice. I am an author. I make my living selling books. This hit me hard and personally.

Here's the list of things off the top of my head we've lost of late

- We lost the Hugos
- We lost the nebulas
- Ghostbusters 2016 blatantly crapped all over men, and was embraced
- Supergirl, the Flash, and all the other DC properties are vehicles for activism and don't even pretend to have a story any more
- Superman is bisexual
- Most of the big conventions are now more concerned with microaggressions than content
- D&D just jettisoned age, height, and weight. How does that not penetrate your cloud of cognitive dissonance?
- Magic cards like Stone Throwing Devils have been banned with no stated justification.
- Luke Skywalker is a washed up old hermit who betrayed everything he taught us to believe in growing up
- The skin color and gender of the vast majority of people who played and built this hobby is now literally problematic. You know this is the case, or you're willfully blind. I have lost speaking gigs and podcast interviews, and they've been candid that immutable characteristics are the reason why.
- Actor friends are being told that they're not a good fit...because of their skin color.

I could go on, and on, and on, but I feel like you'd just go down the list and discredit each, or more likely, fire back an insult and a dismissal because your cognitive dissonance demands you look away from the truth.

Our culture is being engineered. George Orwell posited that if the first half of the 21st century was about technical engineering, then the second half would be about social engineering, and that after that would come world domination. Whether it's 1984, or A Brave New World, we're not going to like the outcome.

You can remain willfully blind, but too many people here have seen too much for your nonsense to gain any traction. Keep trying though. It's fun to watch.
Glad you're having fun too. Can't say as I give two shits about most of your list (CW shows, Ghostbusters 2016, what D&D is doing in two years, MtG card nonsense, etc.) but the part about people losing work is meaningful. I still say it's silly to tie that as closely with the nonsense bits as most here like to do, but some can't disentangle the meaningful from the crap. Those are the ones I like to poke at.

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« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2021, 11:51:51 PM »
Are you familiar with Alexander Solzhenitsyn? I highly suggest the Gulag Archipelago.

The "meaningless bits" have great meaning. The trouble is that we've seen all this play out before, so it makes watching it happen again very easy to spot.

The Attorney General of the United States put out a memo asking the FBI to prosecute parents who show up at school board meetings. One man already spent 10 days in jail for protesting the rape of his daughter in a school bathroom. This "right side of history" mentality is being disseminated by schools. They control the government now, or did you not have a gander at the 3.5 trillion bill, and the fun woke items it included?

You know who talked about controlling schools? Stalin. San Francisco is in my backyard, and just spent $120 million of their $680 million budget "righting racially-based disparities". We're falling off a cliff in national rankings scholastically.

What does all this have to do with gaming? They're destroying culture, because that's one of the stepping stones to a totalitarian government. Games are a big part of culture. It isn't a joke. It isn't funny. It's terrifying. Absolutely terrifying. It may just seem like silly games, but I promise you it's a lot more.

@ The OP...if you're looking to build a group keep all this in mind when you do. If you allow a player at your table who is pushing social issues it will take over your game. Spoken from experience. We're talking wheelchairs in the wilderness. This is not an exaggeration in any way.


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Re: Considering getting back into TTRPGs, Out of them since 2016
« Reply #29 on: October 15, 2021, 11:56:48 PM »
The "meaningless bits" have great meaning.
Only to the deluded fools that feel they are fighting a culture war through nonsense. "Oh nooo, weez lost the battle for the Arrowverse..."