Quote from: APN;614483Well done on hitting the target! Now the even harder work begins - to get the book out and to such a standard that it establishes the game in a crowded genre (supers games, there are loads to choose from) ... good luck with that

Whoo...yes.  Totally agreed.  

The amount of work ahead is huge, but it's not insurmountable, and I have a great and eager support team--my editors and the artists I'm working with.  

I don't think CSW is going to have as difficult a time being noticed, though.  There really isn't a preponderance of games that cater directly to darker heroic storylines and even the generic supers systems--M&M, Champions, etc.--tend to be more focused on action-oriented team-ups a la Avengers, rather than the street-level Heroes for Hire, if you will.  

That said, I'm not willing to drop my standards in any respect.  I want to put out a great-looking, great-playing game that I'm proud to have my name on.

Necroing some old threads on this game to find out how it's coming along. I see PDFs and KS surveys have been sent out to backers. Any estimate as to when the print version will be available to non-backers?

Quote from: 3rik;754499Necroing some old threads on this game to find out how it's coming along. I see PDFs and KS surveys have been sent out to backers. Any estimate as to when the print version will be available to non-backers?

It's in the hands of Chronicle City, so much like Cubicle 7, it's a crap shoot as to when it will come out in print

Quote from: urbwar;755009It's in the hands of Chronicle City, so much like Cubicle 7, it's a crap shoot as to when it will come out in print

Oh, did they inherit that from C7?

Quote from: RPGPundit;755432Oh, did they inherit that from C7?

It seems that way. The same thing happened with the rpg Invulnerable. PDF is out, but no print version yet. Why they pick up titles to release when they have ones still waiting to be printed is ridiculous.

Quote from: urbwar;755464It seems that way. The same thing happened with the rpg Invulnerable. PDF is out, but no print version yet. Why they pick up titles to release when they have ones still waiting to be printed is ridiculous.

I'm not sure if it isn't something about the British Gamer Culture at this point?

Anyways, they still don't beat out Palladium for lateness...

Quote from: RPGPundit;756176I'm not sure if it isn't something about the British Gamer Culture at this point?

Possibly. What's funny is some of the authors mention Angus being ill, but as we're FB friends, I saw posts form him about being on vacation in the US either before or after some convention. Found that somewhat amusing

Quote from: RPGPundit;756176Anyways, they still don't beat out Palladium for lateness...

Also Adamant Entertainment. The King and Queen of lateness it seems

Quote from: urbwar;756613Possibly. What's funny is some of the authors mention Angus being ill, but as we're FB friends, I saw posts form him about being on vacation in the US either before or after some convention. Found that somewhat amusing.

From what I read, the con + vacation came *after* him being ill. Reservations etc. had already been made and cancellation was apparently not a viable option. So it's not like Angus was "calling in sick" while having a vacation.

Fact remains that both Cubicle 7 and Chronicle City give the impression that they have been biting off way more than they can chew. Cubicle 7 seems to have been working on limiting their focus to a more manageable number of game lines and publishers, though. Perhaps Chronicle City should consider doing the same.

Quote from: 3rik;756642From what I read, the con + vacation came *after* him being ill. Reservations etc. had already been made and cancellation was apparently not a viable option. So it's not like Angus was "calling in sick" while having a vacation.

Another rpg author I know who is working with them was being told he was sick at the same time Angus was posting vacation picks. So someone at CC was still peddling the story that he was ill at the time.

Quote from: 3rik;756642Fact remains that both Cubicle 7 and Chronicle City give the impression that they have been biting off way more than they can chew. Cubicle 7 seems to have been working on limiting their focus to a more manageable number of game lines and publishers, though. Perhaps Chronicle City should consider doing the same.

Considering they recently announced a new edition of Dark Harvest, I'm doubtful they're going to. They really need to though, because they're developing a really bad reputation just from the W20 debacle as is, and are going to hurt games like CSW and Invulnerable not only from delaying their release, but via association.

I hadn't been paying so much attention to Chronicle City, but C7 in its heyday was apparently announcing new projects every other week, as they got further and further behind on their work.

I mean, if I recall, they said that for the 50th anniversary of Doctor Who they'd be doing one sourcebook a month on each doctor; I think that by the time the anniversary date had hit, they were like on number 3 or something.

Quote from: RPGPundit;757237I hadn't been paying so much attention to Chronicle City, but C7 in its heyday was apparently announcing new projects every other week, as they got further and further behind on their work.

I mean, if I recall, they said that for the 50th anniversary of Doctor Who they'd be doing one sourcebook a month on each doctor; I think that by the time the anniversary date had hit, they were like on number 3 or something.

Definitely agree that early days at c7 had some big issues. Products were being announced and made available for preorder way before there was any chance of fulfilling them.  Since the end of 2011 we've only opened preorders when a book goes to print, which is definitely a big step forward. (There's been one exception to that - The Doctor Who Limited Edition, since we needed to check demand before it went to press in order to finalise the exact spec)

One slight correction - we said we were hoping to get a Doctor sourcebook out every *other* month. Just over a year since The First Doctor Sourcebook came out The Sixth Doctor Sourcebook is waiting the final green light to go out to subscribers in PDF. We have certainly had some delays on print, largely necessitated by the need to change printer to ensure consistent quality. But that has also meant we have a solid queue of completed work ready to go.

Cubicle 7 certainly hasn't been free from delays in the last couple of years, but with the shift in focus away from print partnerships, which we've slowly and quietly wound down over the last couple of years, things are definitely improving year on year. Licensed games always come with delay, simply the nature of the beast, and we're still a small company so it's hard for us to soak those delays with a deferred release schedule, but we doubled releases of "home grown" c7 material in 2012 and again in 2013, so we're moving in the right direction. There's still plenty to achieve and improve on.

I'm really excited to see the fruits of bringing in Andrew Kenrick, former editor of White Dwarf, start to appear this summer.  He's doing great work.

Quote from: urbwar;756899Another rpg author I know who is working with them was being told he was sick at the same time Angus was posting vacation picks. So someone at CC was still peddling the story that he was ill at the time.

I´m not in on the details here so I´ll refrain from any further commentary.

Quote from: urbwar;756899(...) they're developing a really bad reputation just from the W20 debacle as is, and are going to hurt games like CSW and Invulnerable not only from delaying their release, but via association.

Recently Rogue Games announced that they are no longer going to work with Chronicle City and instead teamed up with Studio 2. Richard referred to it as "a hurdle cleared". Either the problem is starting to solve itself or Chronicle has started cleaning up its act.

Quote from: 3rik;757338I´m not in on the details here so I´ll refrain from any further commentary.

At least my friend's game is now out in pdf, so that's something. Still took forever, and the print isn't out. CSW is out in pdf (well on the CC site; it's not on RPGNow as of yet) and the print preorder is up. That's better than nothing.

Quote from: 3rik;757338Recently Rogue Games announced that they are no longer going to work with Chronicle City and instead teamed up with Studio 2. Richard referred to it as "a hurdle cleared". Either the problem is starting to solve itself or Chronicle has started cleaning up its act.

I didn't even realize Rogue used CC. Everytime I ordered stuff, it was from Richard directly (which is why I likely missed that)

I do think they're trying to clean up, but again, the damage is all ready done. It's going to take some time to heal those wounds with customers. At least they seem to have taken care of most of the outstanding W20 orders for Europe, and Angus made it clear on rpg.net that the fault solely lies with him, and not Onyx Path, so I give him props for that.

I guess time will tell if they've gotten on the right track again. I'll know for sure once I have a copy of CSW in my hands

Quote from: urbwar;757445I didn't even realize Rogue used CC. Everytime I ordered stuff, it was from Richard directly (which is why I likely missed that)

Well, the intent was for CC to start distributing all the Rogue Games titles. It had been a while already since Rogue Games announced that.

Quote from: 3rik;757499Well, the intent was for CC to start distributing all the Rogue Games titles. It had been a while already since Rogue Games announced that.

Gotcha. I don't really follow Rogue games much, as I was just interested in Shadow, Sword & Spell. I totally missed that they even planned on working with CC.

But to get back on track; anyone pick this up yet? I've only skimmed my ks copy, but I like what I see. Need to set aside time to delve into it more