Player vs. Player in the Black Hack

RPGPundit · July 09, 2017, 03:39:12 AM

Someone in my gaming group asked me a question, regarding my recent review of Kaigaku:

If players roll their Str/Dex to attack, and roll their Dex to defend, what the fuck happens when two players are fighting each other?!

Does the attacker only roll his roll to attack? Does the defender roll to defend? How the fuck is it handled?

Ronin · July 09, 2017, 09:05:39 AM

Your overthinking it. It would be straight up attack rolls for both characters. The defense roll is used in dealing with NPCs.

RPGPundit · July 09, 2017, 11:47:26 PM

I'm assuming that's not some kind of official statement or ruling, but your own perspective?

Don't you see there's a problem with that (which underlies the problem of the whole "player-facing" concept)? It means that when you're fighting another PC, your own abilities have NO BEARING WHATSOEVER on whether or not you're hit.

crkrueger · July 10, 2017, 12:24:13 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit;974238I'm assuming that's not some kind of official statement or ruling, but your own perspective?

Don't you see there's a problem with that (which underlies the problem of the whole "player-facing" concept)? It means that when you're fighting another PC, your own abilities have NO BEARING WHATSOEVER on whether or not you're hit.

I think the author suggested each one rolling defense, so at least you are in charge of whether you get hit. The problem is Rogues who attack with advantage from surprise that would have to be converted into disadvantage for defense I guess.

Whether you rolled with both roll Attack or both roll Defend, the author said remember to use the Superior Opponent bonus, so the person who was lower level got a penalty.

If I was going to do it, I'd probably have both roll Defense, unless there was a PvP Sneak Attack, then the Thief would roll Attack like normal.

Voros · July 10, 2017, 01:25:33 AM

Black is working on a .02 of the Hack so maybe it will be addressed there.

Justin Alexander · July 10, 2017, 01:58:18 AM

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RPGPundit · July 12, 2017, 07:04:06 PM

Quote from: Justin Alexander;974253Most player-facing systems I've seen include a simple rule for handling opposed checks when they come up: Usually both sides roll the appropriate test and the highest margin of success wins.

The Black Hack apparently doesn't.

Baulderstone · July 12, 2017, 09:39:51 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit;975011The Black Hack apparently doesn't.

Sure, but it is an easy and obvious ruling to anyone that isn't being deliberately obtuse.

tanaka84 · July 13, 2017, 09:26:16 AM

Quote from: Baulderstone;975036Sure, but it is an easy and obvious ruling to anyone that isn't being deliberately obtuse.

Rulings no rules, aye?

Baulderstone · July 13, 2017, 11:01:45 AM

Quote from: tanaka84;975185Rulings no rules, aye?

You might put it that way.

RPGPundit · July 15, 2017, 01:30:04 AM

Quote from: Baulderstone;975036Sure, but it is an easy and obvious ruling to anyone that isn't being deliberately obtuse.

Well, yes and no. It still feels very anti-emulative.

Justin Alexander · July 15, 2017, 04:19:58 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit;975620emulative

I'm curious what you mean by that word. It doesn't appear to be the dictionary definition and your usage in essays seems to be all over the place.

RPGPundit · July 17, 2017, 03:02:34 AM

It means effectively creating a virtual world that fits certain parameters; the parameters will vary from one game to another, but the point is always that within those, it feels like a living world. This allows Immersion to happen.