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Champions Now Kickstarter by Ron Edwards

Started by Aglondir, May 29, 2018, 08:48:10 PM

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crkrueger

#60
June 17, 2018, 10:17:06 AM
Quote from: Omega;1044386Whenever someone mentions that so-n-so working on a new version of something is a "fan" of it I know to start setting up the trenches and gun emplacements as anymore its a sign it is going to be bad. "Hey Im a great fan of Thundercats!" :mad:
Yeah, the other sure sign of a completely clustered shitshow is when the author refers to the game as a "love letter" to some other game.
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Lynn

#61
June 18, 2018, 02:25:49 PM
Quote from: Omega;1044386Whenever someone mentions that so-n-so working on a new version of something is a "fan" of it I know to start setting up the trenches and gun emplacements as anymore its a sign it is going to be bad. "Hey Im a great fan of Thundercats!" :mad:

Any time in regards to movies you hear the writer say "this one is for the fans", it means the best part of the film is an insignificant fanservice reference. Like Star Trek: Nemesis.
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James Gillen

#62
June 18, 2018, 05:45:13 PM
Quote from: Lynn;1044560Any time in regards to movies you hear the writer say "this one is for the fans", it means the best part of the film is an insignificant fanservice reference. Like Star Trek: Nemesis.

Champions Now: The Star Trek: Nemesis of RPGs.
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Charon's Little Helper

#63
June 21, 2018, 01:05:02 PM
Out of curiosity - anyone else surprised at how badly this Kickstarter is doing?  

It's very NOT my thing and the artwork is mediocre at best, but I'm rather surprised that the name recognition & nostalgia haven't gotten it well over the $20k goal by now.  At this rate it has a good shot of not making it at all.

Gabriel2

#64
June 21, 2018, 01:12:22 PM
Quote from: Charon's Little Helper;1045179Out of curiosity - anyone else surprised at how badly this Kickstarter is doing?  

It's very NOT my thing and the artwork is mediocre at best, but I'm rather surprised that the name recognition & nostalgia haven't gotten it well over the $20k goal by now.  At this rate it has a good shot of not making it at all.

Surprised by how badly it's doing?  Oddly enough I think it's doing rather well out of all proportion with how it is presented.

My knowledge of RPG Kickstarters wasn't good, so I did some quick research and looked up quite a few.  The impression I came away with was that Champions Now was asking for way more money than most while providing a minimal pitch and not much actual description of end result.  For what is being presented, I'm simultaneously amazed the goal is that high as well as the amount that it has gained.
 

Christopher Brady

#65
June 21, 2018, 04:59:11 PM
Quote from: Charon's Little Helper;1045179Out of curiosity - anyone else surprised at how badly this Kickstarter is doing?  

It's very NOT my thing and the artwork is mediocre at best, but I'm rather surprised that the name recognition & nostalgia haven't gotten it well over the $20k goal by now.  At this rate it has a good shot of not making it at all.

I think it's going to be successful.  There's two times that pledging will spike, immediately after creating it, as they promote, and the last two days.  So watch it in the next few days.
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Lynn

#66
June 21, 2018, 07:22:04 PM
Quote from: Charon's Little Helper;1045179Out of curiosity - anyone else surprised at how badly this Kickstarter is doing?

Not really. I think those that really dug Champions or Hero System found the version they like and are sticking with it.

The artwork looks bad. The concept material so far does not really inspire.

Id rather have an 'anniversary' version of 5th Edition Revised, with nice features you find on Goodman Game's books, like built in bookmark, etc.
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NeonAce

#67
June 21, 2018, 10:09:45 PM Last Edit: June 21, 2018, 10:12:12 PM by NeonAce
Quote from: Charon's Little Helper;1045179Out of curiosity - anyone else surprised at how badly this Kickstarter is doing?  

I'm not surprised by the Kickstarter's performance really. Personally I'm on a real Supers RPG kick right now, and listening to Ron's videos is scratching an itch for me along with some old blog posts I've been reading about Supers Sandboxes, etc. I've never played Champions, and I wanna play a game that runs like how he describes! The Kickstarter though, really lacks any kind of slick production values. Mediocre old school art. His videos all start with noisy low-fi generic rock music and him speaking in an echoey room being picked up by the camera mic. The videos are all kinda free-form rambling. It's a pretty amateur-vibed pitch that isn't super-approachable and screaming "Back Me!"

Christopher Brady

#68
June 21, 2018, 11:55:34 PM
Here's the thing, it's NOT going badly.  If it was, it's would be at 1000 right now, rather than 19k.  It's only 6k short.  It can easily make it up in the usual (and yes, it's almost always a) mad dash funding rush at the last 48 hours.

It's only a funding failure AFTER the Kickstarter closes and it still doesn't have the money.  This is when people should be judging its success or failure, until then, people are just hoping for it to fail.

For the record, I have no stake in this.  I'm not going to get it.
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NeonAce

#69
June 22, 2018, 12:49:14 AM
My criticisms aside, I agree that it's not going badly and still has a very solid chance to fund, it's just not on fire like some projects.

urbwar

#70
June 22, 2018, 08:26:03 AM
Even if it does fail, they can always try again with a lower funding goal. If it's only 6K shy of funding, I suspect it should meet that goal before it ends. It's happened a few times with other KS I backed; they are not funded, then 2 days before, a bunch of pledges come in, and it's funded a few hours before the campaign ends

Omega

#71
June 23, 2018, 03:46:25 AM
Quote from: Christopher Brady;1045307Here's the thing, it's NOT going badly.  If it was, it's would be at 1000 right now, rather than 19k.  It's only 6k short.  It can easily make it up in the usual (and yes, it's almost always a) mad dash funding rush at the last 48 hours.

It's only a funding failure AFTER the Kickstarter closes and it still doesn't have the money.  This is when people should be judging its success or failure, until then, people are just hoping for it to fail.

For the record, I have no stake in this.  I'm not going to get it.

Agreed. for a KS for a game reboot no one likely wants its doing surprisingly well for something that was far as I can tell not advertised much?

If they had marketed this better, especally to the players that did not like the MMO retconning of so much bleeding into the actual RPG, then it might have done better. Why wasnt this promoted more on BGG? Thats where a chunk of his adherents hang out.

Aglondir

#72
June 28, 2018, 12:43:02 AM
I didn't think it would make it, but:

$21,297 pledged of $20,000 goal
620 backers
39 hours to go

Christopher Brady

#73
June 28, 2018, 01:08:51 AM
Quote from: Aglondir;1046174I didn't think it would make it, but:

$21,297 pledged of $20,000 goal
620 backers
39 hours to go

What I say?  There are two points where the income spikes, immediately after the announcement and during the last 48 hours.  I'm happy for Edwards, still won't get it.
"And now, my friends, a Dragon\'s toast!  To life\'s little blessings:  wars, plagues and all forms of evil.  Their presence keeps us alert --- and their absence makes us grateful." -T.A. Barron[/SIZE]

remial

#74
June 29, 2018, 04:38:42 PM
Quote from: Omega;1041258Yep, that Ron Edwards. The one who claimed traditional RPGs cause "brain damage" and other little gems and also pretty much the spearhead for the Forge and Pundits "Swine" who are still around making their crackheaded claims as usual.

I'd have been a lot more likely to back it if it weren't being written by a guy who said that because I don't play games in his particular manner, I'm brain damaged...
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