For once we have a subject line that understates the case.  "Sprints"?  More like used rocket skates.

Quote from: Haffrung;1121857Someone needs to walk me through the chain of reasoning from "Bob Bledsaw II is an anti-Semitic loon" to "all Judges Guild material must be pulled from commercial distribution." Why does the one make the other a moral imperative?

There was more than anti-semitic posts in Bob III's twitter feeds, and Bob II insulted his own uncle. Bob II, is currently the Judges Guild IP holder, ...and no gamer wants to support a neo-nazi earning any money at all to continue their public tirade of hate, rascism, and religious repression. Gamers can be very particular about how they spend their money, and helping other people hate more, is not something decent gamers want to support. That is the moral imperative. On this particular subject, me and Mistwell completely agree, like 100%.

Weirdly, the RPGnet discussion on this is so far much more sensible than the EN World thread, which is full of stuff like this
and this. Maybe because Celebrim has been riling up the SJWs again on ENW, whereas on RPGnet there's no disagreement.

Quote from: GameDaddy;1121860There was more than anti-semitic posts in Bob III's twitter feeds, and Bob II insulted his own uncle. Bob II, is currently the Judges Guild IP holder, ...and no gamer wants to support a neo-nazi earning any money at all to continue their public tirade of hate, rascism, and religious repression. Gamers can be very particular about how they spend their money, and helping other people hate more, is not something decent gamers want to support. That is the moral imperative. On this particular subject, me and Mistwell completely agree, like 100%.

That's fine. But by removing the product, DriveThru have removed anyone's choice to boycott the product or not.
And there are more people involved than just Bledsaw. Anyone who has written a product for Judge's Guild must now be punished for Bledsaw's tweets.

Quote from: Haffrung;1121857Someone needs to walk me through the chain of reasoning from "Bob Bledsaw II is an anti-Semitic loon" to "all Judges Guild material must be pulled from commercial distribution." Why does the one make the other a moral imperative?

There needs to be a reason? SJWs never need a reason other than hate. Fabricated hate is the best.

Pull down all the material because the current owner is being a total idiot. Of course that never gets applied to any number of SJW product till that person is "proven" to be the villain too.

Though to be fair. They may just have not felt good about putting money in the pocket of someone acting poorly. But again, its a selectively used double edged sword.

Question then becomes what happens to all this material and will the fallout spill over to anything else JG has touched?

Quote from: Haffrung;1121857Someone needs to walk me through the chain of reasoning from "Bob Bledsaw II is an anti-Semitic loon" to "all Judges Guild material must be pulled from commercial distribution." Why does the one make the other a moral imperative?

It doesn't. I wish they hadn't done that.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1121863And there are more people involved than just Bledsaw. Anyone who has written a product for Judge's Guild must now be punished for Bledsaw's tweets.

The one person who is effected is James Mishler of Adventure Game Publishing. He has already posted about the issue. Goodman, Frog God Games, and myself all still have our listings up. I am not sure what deal Goodman Games has. Frog God Games contract stipulates that all royalties must go to fulfilling the CSIO Kickstarter.  The remaining person is Chris Bernhardt who wrote City State of the Sea King and he doesn't sell on DriveThruRPG.

My royalties have been waived since November of 2017 in lieu of payment for the final nine maps of the CSIO Kickstarter. If Mr. Bledsaw decide to remove the waiver then I will no longer be selling either my Revised Editions, or Majestic Wilderlands material. Prior to my post I expected the waiver to be removed sometime in late 2020 or early 2021 as the revenues were approaching what I paid for the first nine maps.

Just my luck.  I bought the Judges Guild Deluxe #1 from Goodman Games this morning.  I guess we'll never see #2 now that the internet mobs will demand that JG be forever removed from history.  

You have to be a total idiot in this day and age to be on social media without being anonymous.  I'm just surprised he hasn't claimed he was hacked.  That seems to be the go to defense for aging boomers.

Quote from: GameDaddy;1121860Bob II, is currently the Judges Guild IP holder, ...and no gamer wants to support a neo-nazi earning any money at all to continue their public tirade of hate, rascism, and religious repression. Gamers can be very particular about how they spend their money, and helping other people hate more, is not something decent gamers want to support.

I suspect that most gamers would actually want the ability to actually decide for themselves when to be morally outraged.

Quote from: dkabq;1121850Oops...spoke too soon. Now no JG material is available, and JG does not appear in the Publishers category.

Well, fuck.  There was some stuff I had not gotten around to buying.  There's always time, you tell yourself.  Then some guy goes and runs his mouth off and that's the end.

Not that there aren't other ways to get it, and...yeah, I don't want to funnel money to helping him.

Estar, I hope this whole thing doesn't sour you on the setting.  You do good work, man.

Quote from: Omega;1121865There needs to be a reason? SJWs never need a reason other than hate. Fabricated hate is the best.

On Saturday the 8th, I saw the post and that was that. The only question was the exact way I would handle it. Sunday I called Mr. Bledsaw. While the conversation was cordial, I informed him I could no longer do any future business with Judges Guild. I also told him that due to the nature of the issue I am ethically obligated to tell the other licensees of my decision. By Monday I finished my statement and posted it on my blog. This was after I informed the other licensees and it went public.

As for it being a fabrication, it was stated by him to me that his post was accurate in the phone conversation we had. It was more than disconcerting as conversation was cordial and remained cordial afterward. Mistwell's account is consistent with mine.

Quote from: estar;1121867The one person who is effected is James Mishler of Adventure Game Publishing. He has already posted about the issue. Goodman, Frog God Games, and myself all still have our listings up. I am not sure what deal Goodman Games has. Frog God Games contract stipulates that all royalties must go to fulfilling the CSIO Kickstarter.  The remaining person is Chris Bernhardt who wrote City State of the Sea King and he doesn't sell on DriveThruRPG.

My royalties have been waived since November of 2017 in lieu of payment for the final nine maps of the CSIO Kickstarter. If Mr. Bledsaw decide to remove the waiver then I will no longer be selling either my Revised Editions, or Majestic Wilderlands material. Prior to my post I expected the waiver to be removed sometime in late 2020 or early 2021 as the revenues were approaching what I paid for the first nine maps.

Incorrect. I previously noted that Caverns of Thracia was written by Janelle (Then Paul) Jaquay for Judge's Guild, and was taken down.
I do not know if Jaquay was paid any residuals for the sales, but at the very least, as a well regarded adventure module, it's now been scrubbed from one of the most popular PDF stores. I don't even know if it was available in any other medium.

Quote from: S'mon;1121862Weirdly, the RPGnet discussion on this is so far much more sensible than the EN World thread, which is full of stuff like this
and this. Maybe because Celebrim has been riling up the SJWs again on ENW, whereas on RPGnet there's no disagreement.

Well if EN World is getting upset about it.

Quote from: Thornhammer;1121872Estar, I hope this whole thing doesn't sour you on the setting.  You do good work, man.

Appreciate the compliment. I am not sour on the setting but for now it is impossible for me to make new content for it. I do have plenty of original material to work on. A lot of my Majestic Wilderlands content can have the serial numbers filed off and reused. I was going to do that before getting an unexpected opportunity to obtain a IP license.

Also my license agreement states that I retain the rights to the original material I create. I can't republish it with JG IP mixed up in it but I can reuse what original to me. The other half of that deal is that Judges Guild also gets to use the material as well.

Quote from: Shasarak;1121877Well if EN World is getting upset about it.

I get this is your shtick, but it would probably be wise to read more of what he said before you go further down that road. And that's not a threat by the way. Knowing your prior posts on other topics, I don't think you're going to appreciate your off-hand approach once you do end up reading it all.

See for example this one (which I think was never posted to this thread). Note the "holohoax" comment, by which he appears to mean the holocaust was a hoax.  Or this one. This is a guy who thinks 9/11 was an inside job done by the evil Jewish Conspiracy out of Israel, and that vaccines kill people and are party of a similar conspiracy. This isn't just "conservative opinions".