Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on January 25, 2023, 05:18:08 PM
The reason I advocate Worlds/Stars Without Number is because I consider it the true inheritor of D&D, and 5e is a crappy pretender.
I could list all the ways WWM is better if there is interest.

See, I tried to like Stars Without Number.  It seemed like a Star Wars game substitute.  But, the way psionics works you only get a few rounds before you out of power. 

So my Star Wars will stick with D6 rules, probably Mini-six. 

Quote from: weirdguy564 on January 25, 2023, 10:31:19 PMSee, I tried to like Stars Without Number.  It seemed like a Star Wars game substitute.

It's Traveler inspired more-so then Star Wars inspired. And the Jedi class is in The Black Sun Codex.

Quote from: zircher on January 25, 2023, 07:05:10 PM
I have not done the pure fantasy gaming thing for quite a while (I'm more of a sci-fi, horror, urban fantasy player.)  So, my go-to fantasy game would be Amber Diceless.

I might have to walk that back.  I just watched a review for Fabula Ultima TTJRPG and I am intrigued.  I like the fact that world building in considered part of the game.  I like that level of control and not being tied/locked in to a given setting.

Quote from: zircher on January 26, 2023, 07:06:02 PM

Quote from: zircher on January 25, 2023, 07:05:10 PM
I have not done the pure fantasy gaming thing for quite a while (I'm more of a sci-fi, horror, urban fantasy player.)  So, my go-to fantasy game would be Amber Diceless.

I might have to walk that back.  I just watched a review for Fabula Ultima TTJRPG and I am intrigued.  I like the fact that world building in considered part of the game.  I like that level of control and not being tied/locked in to a given setting.

I purchased the Dragonlance adventure that just came out, but do not use 5e to run it. It is such a shit adventure that I am not sure if I will spend the time to review it. I have turned it into a good campaign for my group, but it took a lot of work.

Never again. Out of pure love of Dragonlance I told myself I'd always keep up with what is going on with it. But there is no talent left at Wizards.

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee on January 25, 2023, 11:01:46 PM

Quote from: weirdguy564 on January 25, 2023, 10:31:19 PMSee, I tried to like Stars Without Number.  It seemed like a Star Wars game substitute.

It's Traveler inspired more-so then Star Wars inspired. And the Jedi class is in The Black Sun Codex.

The what codex!?!  <quick $9 spent at DTRPG>

Interesting.  Sunblades class.  I'll have to look into this.

Thanks, Banshee.  I didn't know about this one.

Quote from: Jam The MF on January 25, 2023, 06:15:47 PM

Quote from: Omega on January 25, 2023, 02:12:55 PM
I am sticking to 5e as it is a good system once you remove a few warts.

That and wotc is kicking it to the curb to follow their edition treadmill dream.

I think they will come to regret their current course of action.  It will be a legendary crash and burn, in the history of printed tabletop RPGs.  It will be difficult, for anyone to ever top this fiasco.

However, I don't see any need to criticize someone for running a game they already own.  Rock on.

Unfortunately they may be right that the rage will die down. Already theres a growing swing in opinion to go see the movie instead of boycotting it as was the plan. In a few weeks?

Quote from: Omega on January 27, 2023, 02:01:06 AM

Quote from: Jam The MF on January 25, 2023, 06:15:47 PM

Quote from: Omega on January 25, 2023, 02:12:55 PM
I am sticking to 5e as it is a good system once you remove a few warts.

That and wotc is kicking it to the curb to follow their edition treadmill dream.

I think they will come to regret their current course of action.  It will be a legendary crash and burn, in the history of printed tabletop RPGs.  It will be difficult, for anyone to ever top this fiasco.

However, I don't see any need to criticize someone for running a game they already own.  Rock on.

Unfortunately they may be right that the rage will die down. Already theres a growing swing in opinion to go see the movie instead of boycotting it as was the plan. In a few weeks?

Some of that, is just that people have been waiting so dang long for a decent D&D movie. 

I'm playing in a weekly game with 5e mechanics but using an entirely home-brew world and the other weekly game has been system hopping around between: Alien, Savage Worlds, 7th Sea, DCC, and Cypher.  I don't think that group will ever return to a WoTC One DnD or 5e ruleset.

Quote from: Jam The MF on January 27, 2023, 06:09:17 AM
Some of that, is just that people have been waiting so dang long for a decent D&D movie.

I waited 28 years for a Tron sequel, I'm patient.  :-)

Quote from: Jam The MF on January 27, 2023, 06:09:17 AM

Some of that, is just that people have been waiting so dang long for a decent D&D movie.

I have no idea what that would even be. Most of us play D&D very differently in tone, scope etc. Case in point, I tend to have near-grim, heavy politics, Forgotten Realms games. I don't have weirdo-races showing up out of nowhere for no good reason. It's not slapstick intentionally. It doesn't look like a Critical Role game *at all*. It feels very Game of Thrones like (long before GoT was ever in print).

Then I see the new D&D movie trailer... I'm chuckling along... like "whatever". Then I heard the other day that its set in the Forgotten Realms... LOLOL oookay. That's not *my* Forgotten Realms. It looks like any other modern conception of "D&D" pastiche. The snarky humor, silly comedy, with D&D fantasy tropes tossed in for color.

/shrug. I'd rather movie studios back the fuck away from Lord of the Rings, and GoT, and start looking at other fantasy novel series that have solid stories and secondary worlds that could give us that "D&D Movie" vibe we want that more of us could get behind. Something like Raymond Feist's "Magician" series.

Of course the problem is movie studios are so woke it's best if they just don't touch them... (Yes I know a Magician TV series is in the works... I'm dreading it).

As for what else should people play besides WotC5e? There are literally dozens of other systems out there that do Fantasy and D&D-style fantasy, to be more precise, and do them very well.

My general opinion is that "D&D fantasy" is so varied in its expression - Runequest/Mythras, 1e/2e D&D, OSR, Symbaroum, WHFR2e (or any other edition). There's many to choose from!

Quote from: tenbones on January 28, 2023, 03:02:36 PM

Quote from: Jam The MF on January 27, 2023, 06:09:17 AM

Some of that, is just that people have been waiting so dang long for a decent D&D movie.

I have no idea what that would even be. Most of us play D&D very differently in tone, scope etc. Case in point, I tend to have near-grim, heavy politics, Forgotten Realms games. I don't have weirdo-races showing up out of nowhere for no good reason. It's not slapstick intentionally. It doesn't look like a Critical Role game *at all*. It feels very Game of Thrones like (long before GoT was ever in print).

I remember someone (possibly "RedLetterMedia") floating the idea that if you were going to do a D&D movie, you should structure it a bit like the LEGO movie from a few years ago. I.e, have as a framing device a group of kids playing D&D, and then dramatize the events of their game with actors etc. That'd be the only way to do a movie that was true to the spirit of the game. But of course, then you'd have to have writers that have actually played D&D, which they probably don't.

Quote from: tenbones on January 28, 2023, 03:02:36 PM
Then I see the new D&D movie trailer... I'm chuckling along... like "whatever". Then I heard the other day that its set in the Forgotten Realms... LOLOL oookay. That's not *my* Forgotten Realms. It looks like any other modern conception of "D&D" pastiche. The snarky humor, silly comedy, with D&D fantasy tropes tossed in for color.

Sadly, I think that is the Forgotten Realms for most players under 35. Faerun has been slowly morphing into "D&D Fantasy Funland" ever since Wizards started pushing it as the main setting for the game somewhere around the 3.5 era.

With WotC in retreat, for now, and even before, it may have been a great time to buy your favorite OSR game. 

Yup, my advice is to go buy OSR games now before they're gone. 

Once you have the books you can do as you please.  WotC will have been too late. 

I am pro OSR.  I own three different OSR softcover rulebooks right now.  Basic Fantasy, Dungeons and Delvers Dice Pool, and Star Adventurer.  In PDF I have dozens. 

Now, I have technically only played Dungeons and Delvers.  Star Adventurer and Basic Fantasy are waiting for to get the itch and see how the other half plays their game. 

Quote from: weirdguy564 on January 28, 2023, 08:31:59 PMNow, I have technically only played Dungeons and Delvers.

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