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Author Topic: BFRPG Going Woke  (Read 4829 times)

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Re: BFRPG Going Woke
« Reply #105 on: January 23, 2023, 04:24:45 AM »

I'll go over the sort of things I do to stop harassment and other action by sparkle trolls. But first, I'd ask. Have you been fighting anti-feminist trolls like the ones who harassed my family? What have you done to stop them? It seems only fair that if you ask me to fight the trolls who pose on my political side, that I should ask about how you've fought the trolls who pose on your side.

I think you're missing the key argument here:

From the date floating around 8% od the USA population identify as progressives, that's a tiny minority, from that minority I have encountered a totall of 3 individuals (you {and maybe Trechiron?} included) who call themselves progressives AND aren't also Sparkle Trolls.

Of the progressives I know IRL, only one is one I can actually have a conversation about politics with, with disagreement. Three more we just had to part ways without outright hostility, which is better than average. For the rest, they're downright hostile. And I grew up in a progressive environment, my entire family is progressive. Obviously I don't experience hostility from them because they place family above politics, but needing to be family not to experience hostility from progressives is a damn bad look for progressives as a whole.

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Re: BFRPG Going Woke
« Reply #106 on: January 23, 2023, 11:24:36 AM »
I'll tell you what I told the feminists who loved to claim the ones clamoring for the death/internment/castration/etc of all men weren't really feminists:

Then start fighthing them, on the twatter there's two accounts I follow, Gays against groomers and trans against groomers, they ARE fighthing those who ARE doing damage to the image of their community by claiming to belong to it.

I'll go over the sort of things I do to stop harassment and other action by sparkle trolls. But first, I'd ask. Have you been fighting anti-feminist trolls like the ones who harassed my family? What have you done to stop them? It seems only fair that if you ask me to fight the trolls who pose on my political side, that I should ask about how you've fought the trolls who pose on your side.

I don't expect that either of us can stop them. But we can take incremental action to lessen partisan extremism and tactics like doxxing, harassment, and libel. One is promoting Internet privacy and integrity, by support the EFF and similar organizations. Another is speaking up within our own communities for truth and accountability of claims rather than focusing outrage at the other side. Further would be promoting greater dialog with other viewpoints, like through the Braver Angels organization, or in interfaith action, like having shared activities with the Mormon church for me as a UU.

Words have meaning, Internet Troll =/= motherfuckers who take stuff to the extreme of harassing people IRL.

Yes, fair is fair, at every point and everywhere I have encountered those who try and destroy people for political disagreements I have oppossed them to the full extent of my ability to do so, by reporting them to the police, baning them from groups and condemning such actions without caring in which political side the culprits are.

I don't expect that you or me can stop them either.

Now, when I asked the question it wasn't strictly directed at you, it was the royal you, meaning those who call themselves progressives, thought I had made it clear but well, looks like I failed.
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Re: BFRPG Going Woke
« Reply #107 on: January 23, 2023, 06:54:44 PM »
The most telling reply to is “I’m guessing you’re fortunate enough to be straight”, when all of this non-binary nonsense has nothing to do with sexuality, but gender identity.

It’s like, the throughline with a lot of this woke BS is Boomer/older Gen X liberals thinking this is equal to the gay rights movement and bending the knee, believing they’re being inclusive, but theyre really just chumming the waters for blood suckers that will never be satisfied.

It’s like half of western civilization all of a sudden started taking  the Tumblr weirdos everybody was making fun of ten years ago seriously.

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Re: BFRPG Going Woke
« Reply #108 on: January 23, 2023, 07:32:10 PM »
This is a tempest in a teacup.  Gonnerman’s game will never be a big hit.  Not because of pronouns, but because Basic Fantasy Roleplaying sounds almost exactly like Chaosium’s Basic Roleplaying, which is what I have been mistaking this game for since it came out in 2006, and it was only by a sheer lark that I listened to an interview with Chris Gonnerman on an OSR podcast. 

The game is good.  It’s solid.  But sadly it will always remain hidden behind a wall of obscurity because of a poor name choice.

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Re: BFRPG Going Woke
« Reply #109 on: January 24, 2023, 04:28:06 AM »
This is a tempest in a teacup.  Gonnerman’s game will never be a big hit.  Not because of pronouns, but because Basic Fantasy Roleplaying sounds almost exactly like Chaosium’s Basic Roleplaying, which is what I have been mistaking this game for since it came out in 2006, and it was only by a sheer lark that I listened to an interview with Chris Gonnerman on an OSR podcast. 

The game is good.  It’s solid.  But sadly it will always remain hidden behind a wall of obscurity because of a poor name choice.

It's actually well known and widely played, for the simple reason that it sells at-cost on Amazon. It actually seems to sell more to people not heavily involved in the RPG community, who have never heard of Basic Roleplaying.

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Re: BFRPG Going Woke
« Reply #110 on: January 24, 2023, 07:07:39 AM »
This is a tempest in a teacup.  Gonnerman’s game will never be a big hit.  Not because of pronouns, but because Basic Fantasy Roleplaying sounds almost exactly like Chaosium’s Basic Roleplaying, which is what I have been mistaking this game for since it came out in 2006, and it was only by a sheer lark that I listened to an interview with Chris Gonnerman on an OSR podcast. 

The game is good.  It’s solid.  But sadly it will always remain hidden behind a wall of obscurity because of a poor name choice.

It's actually well known and widely played, for the simple reason that it sells at-cost on Amazon. It actually seems to sell more to people not heavily involved in the RPG community, who have never heard of Basic Roleplaying.
It’s a good game.  I would definitely play it, if someone offered to run it.  But is it widely played? Or is it widely downloaded (for free) from the internet? 

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Re: BFRPG Going Woke
« Reply #111 on: January 24, 2023, 09:09:07 AM »
Like the tin says, Gonnerman is changing the pronouns on his game, I mean it's his shit and he can do whatever and I would have exactly zero problem with it if it weren't for the fact that we KNOW it's just a matter of giving the woke an inch before they take control of your shit.

It's okay, the change will be in the 4ed that'll be under CC By SA which means someone could make Advanced Iron Age Fantasy and revert any wokeisms they manage to push into the game.

As for the proof?

It starts in page 162 or 163 but here's a link:

https://basicfantasy.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=776&sid=7a682a3b8d698e0a8a1f47792ada3735&start=1620

I abandoned Basic Fantasy years ago. I made a stupid joke on the Facebook group and Gonnerman along with all his mind-numbed followers jumped all over me, and refused to allow me to even apologize. Horrible people.

He had a good idea about the game. That does not make him a good person, nor his game something I will tolerate. I am saving my Basic Fantasy book for when the Sears catalogue runs out.

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Re: BFRPG Going Woke
« Reply #112 on: January 24, 2023, 02:13:41 PM »
Like the tin says, Gonnerman is changing the pronouns on his game, I mean it's his shit and he can do whatever and I would have exactly zero problem with it if it weren't for the fact that we KNOW it's just a matter of giving the woke an inch before they take control of your shit.

It's okay, the change will be in the 4ed that'll be under CC By SA which means someone could make Advanced Iron Age Fantasy and revert any wokeisms they manage to push into the game.

As for the proof?

It starts in page 162 or 163 but here's a link:

https://basicfantasy.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=776&sid=7a682a3b8d698e0a8a1f47792ada3735&start=1620

I abandoned Basic Fantasy years ago. I made a stupid joke on the Facebook group and Gonnerman along with all his mind-numbed followers jumped all over me, and refused to allow me to even apologize. Horrible people.

He had a good idea about the game. That does not make him a good person, nor his game something I will tolerate. I am saving my Basic Fantasy book for when the Sears catalogue runs out.

He had a first mover advantage of sorts. There was C&C before, but for the people who thought it wasn't OS enough, BF hit that itch. He kept it free, and had good marketing saying 'do not buy this book', which of course endears him. It's a good example of how to market a game and get it played. But he's not selling it based on its merits.

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Re: BFRPG Going Woke
« Reply #113 on: January 24, 2023, 03:31:58 PM »
Chris has always been left wing. Bending the knee to crazies on a forum is bad news. He should have stayed out of politics when it comes to his game.
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Re: BFRPG Going Woke
« Reply #114 on: January 25, 2023, 02:20:46 PM »
It’s like half of western civilization all of a sudden started taking  the Tumblr weirdos everybody was making fun of ten years ago seriously.

I've said this for years.

The problem started when we started taking insane people seriously.

"What if oxygen stopped liking humans and started liking dogs?"

"Oh my GOD! I better buy a dog now or I'll suffocate!"

This is civilization now.

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Re: BFRPG Going Woke
« Reply #115 on: January 25, 2023, 05:33:38 PM »
Like the tin says, Gonnerman is changing the pronouns on his game, I mean it's his shit and he can do whatever and I would have exactly zero problem with it if it weren't for the fact that we KNOW it's just a matter of giving the woke an inch before they take control of your shit.

It's okay, the change will be in the 4ed that'll be under CC By SA which means someone could make Advanced Iron Age Fantasy and revert any wokeisms they manage to push into the game.

As for the proof?

It starts in page 162 or 163 but here's a link:

https://basicfantasy.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=776&sid=7a682a3b8d698e0a8a1f47792ada3735&start=1620

I abandoned Basic Fantasy years ago. I made a stupid joke on the Facebook group and Gonnerman along with all his mind-numbed followers jumped all over me, and refused to allow me to even apologize. Horrible people.

He had a good idea about the game. That does not make him a good person, nor his game something I will tolerate. I am saving my Basic Fantasy book for when the Sears catalogue runs out.

He had a first mover advantage of sorts. There was C&C before, but for the people who thought it wasn't OS enough, BF hit that itch. He kept it free, and had good marketing saying 'do not buy this book', which of course endears him. It's a good example of how to market a game and get it played. But he's not selling it based on its merits.

You can't really have much impact upon the creator of a product, who is already giving it away for free.
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