Quote from: LibraryLass;756058If brazen anachronism bothers you, have you considered that sword and sorcery-style fantasy just isn't for you?

I'll admit that I have particular tastes in this regard. But I've found many fantasy settings I can use that are grounded in some kind of coherent material and thematic style. In fact, I prefer sword and sorcery to modern fantasy because it tends towards classical and dark ages Europe and the Near East as the basis for the setting, rather than the high renaissance mixed with suburban Fresno feel of much modern fantasy. I also enjoy the gritty renaissance meets chaos magic feel of the Warhammer setting. I just really dislike the kitchen-sink-modern-North-Americans-in-fancy-clothes approach of Golarion and much modern fantasy fiction.

Quote from: Haffrung;756086I just really dislike the kitchen-sink-modern-North-Americans-in-fancy-clothes approach of Golarion and much modern fantasy fiction.

I'm in this camp as well. I call it the egalitarian cosmopolitan fantasy. Race, gender, species, class, culture, era, background, etc. all interchangeable palette swaps of dress up clothes, having next to zero effect on setting relations. Throw in everyone speaking the global Esperanto of Common and voilà, Cosplay Ren-Fair MMO united by char-op rules niggling and hour long combat preening. Would rather play RISK... and I hate RISK.

It's not the anachronism that bothers me.

It's that it's SO. FUCKING. TIRED.

Pirates, dinosaurs, ninja, zombies. FUCKING ZOMBIES.

They've all worn out their welcome long ago and now just hang around pop-culture like a rancid fart.

Quote from: Piestrio;756161It's not the anachronism that bothers me.

It's that it's SO. FUCKING. TIRED.

Pirates, dinosaurs, ninja, zombies. FUCKING ZOMBIES.

They've all worn out their welcome long ago and now just hang around pop-culture like a rancid fart.

I'm not trying to troll you but I don't know what type of reboot of Dragonlance WoTC would do where it did Not feel like even more of a Lord of the Rings re-skin?

Isn't that just as saturated in our culture right now?

I loved Dragonlance, I like LotR, but it's not like they are going to go to "Legend of Huma" as the source book for a "war is hell" reboot of Dragonlance.

So what mass appeal setting can they do that would be different and isn't road kill stanky?

Quote from: MonsterSlayer;756174I'm not trying to troll you but I don't know what type of reboot of Dragonlance WoTC would do where it did Not feel like even more of a Lord of the Rings re-skin?

Isn't that just as saturated in our culture right now?

I loved Dragonlance, I like LotR, but it's not like they are going to go to "Legend of Huma" as the source book for a "war is hell" reboot of Dragonlance.

So what mass appeal setting can they do that would be different and isn't road kill stanky?

Sorry. *"they are not going to"

Quote from: MonsterSlayer;756174I'm not trying to troll you but I don't know what type of reboot of Dragonlance WoTC would do where it did Not feel like even more of a Lord of the Rings re-skin?

Isn't that just as saturated in our culture right now?

I loved Dragonlance, I like LotR, but it's not like they are going to go to "Legend of Huma" as the source book for a "war is hell" reboot of Dragonlance.

So what mass appeal setting can they do that would be different and isn't road kill stanky?

It's in no way like Lord of the Rings, anyway I love it for the split in magic creating political situations much the same about the Solomnic Orders it's all about the politics of being an insider versus an outsider for me. Quite similar to Dark Sun in that way actually.

I give a flip about the novels. Play up the political situations really go Game of Thrones but high magic and knights style is what I'd do. Basically use 3e's spin but pulled back a bit (no ridiculous Dragon takeover and war) and without the angst and run with it. Dark is good but hopelessness is not.

Everyone knows politics and romance, magic and knights go hand in hand so highlight it while darkening the tone a bit.

Quote from: Marleycat;756179It's in no way like Lord of the Rings, anyway I love it for the split in magic creating political situations much the same about the Solomnic Orders it's all about the politics of being an insider versus an outsider for me. Quite similar to Dark Sun in that way actually.

I give a flip about the novels. Play up the political situations really go Game of Thrones but high magic and knights style is what I'd do. Basically use 3e's spin without the angst and run with it. Dark is good but hopelessness is not. But politics and romance, magic and knights go hand in hand so highlight it while darkening the tone a bit.

OK I'm not going to descend into the depths of nerd-dom trying to convince you of the parallels between Dragons of Autumn Twilight and The Fellowship of the Ring but I would like to bring the discussion back to the OP.

How do they make a book (in this case a campaign setting) beyond the core 5E books that they can sell with mass market appeal?

I think your ideas are cool and maybe they should just buy a tie in license to Game Of Thrones.

But they are not going to do a reboot and just ignore the novels. The novels sold more than the modules ever did.

Quote from: Marleycat;756179It's in no way like Lord of the Rings

Um, it's a pseudo-medieval world with elves and dwarves and others rubbing shoulders with human beings in which a posse of disparate characters band together on a quest against a great evil which uses scary monsters as its primary minions.

From a fannish perspective all sorts of minor differences could be pointed out. But looked at from an objective distance - in other words, the perspective of anyone who isn't a serious fantasy fan - the broad premise is extremely Tolkieny.

It's like wine - you might be able to tell the difference between Dragonlance and Shanarra and Middle-Earth and Eddings and Ray Feist, but to most people it all looks like the same deal, just like if you haven't spent a lot of time tasting wine you aren't going to tell the difference between a 2007 and 2009 pinot grigio.

Quote from: Warthur;756232Um, it's a pseudo-medieval world with elves and dwarves and others rubbing shoulders with human beings in which a posse of disparate characters band together on a quest against a great evil which uses scary monsters as its primary minions.

From a fannish perspective all sorts of minor differences could be pointed out. But looked at from an objective distance - in other words, the perspective of anyone who isn't a serious fantasy fan - the broad premise is extremely Tolkieny.

It's like wine - you might be able to tell the difference between Dragonlance and Shanarra and Middle-Earth and Eddings and Ray Feist, but to most people it all looks like the same deal, just like if you haven't spent a lot of time tasting wine you aren't going to tell the difference between a 2007 and 2009 pinot grigio.

Using that kind of definition is like saying if it has two wheels and a motor then it's a motorcycle and all motorcycles are same. By your logic if it's got elves it's Tolkien is pretty senseless. I mean everything is Dragonlance under this view.... obviously that's not true.

Quote from: MonsterSlayer;756182OK I'm not going to descend into the depths of nerd-dom trying to convince you of the parallels between Dragons of Autumn Twilight and The Fellowship of the Ring but I would like to bring the discussion back to the OP.

How do they make a book (in this case a campaign setting) beyond the core 5E books that they can sell with mass market appeal?

I think your ideas are cool and maybe they should just buy a tie in license to Game Of Thrones.

But they are not going to do a reboot and just ignore the novels. The novels sold more than the modules ever did.

Probably not but it's just what I'd do. Currently I would try and get rights to Game of Thrones and see if you could Dnd style it with..Low/Medium/High magic options. But really beyond a consolidation/reinvisionment/update of Mystara I'd like to see a new setting.

Quote from: Marleycat;756258Using that kind of definition is like saying if it has two wheels and a motor then it's a motorcycle and all motorcycles are same.

If you don't know motorcycles very well, so far as you can tell they are the same. And if you do know motorcycles, you can fairly easily enunciate the differences, but they aren't likely to be differences outsiders especially care about, and the differences don't stop a Harley or a Yamaha being motorcycles at all.

Quote from: Warthur;756267If you don't know motorcycles very well, so far as you can tell they are the same. And if you do know motorcycles, you can fairly easily enunciate the differences, but they aren't likely to be differences outsiders especially care about, and the differences don't stop a Harley or a Yamaha being motorcycles at all.

I know that's my point. The definition that you're using is too broad to be useful.

Quote from: Marleycat;756276I know that's my point. The definition that you're using is too broad to be useful.

I was once told Seven Samurai was alot like Lord of the Rings... :confused:

Quote from: Omega;756414I was once told Seven Samurai was alot like Lord of the Rings... :confused:

In broad strokes? Sure. You're a party of 7 archetypes.. Go!