The Death Star. Luke Skywalker. The exhaust vent.
You think you know the story.
Think again (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2dvv-Yib1Xg).
Tell me this would not make the best SW campaign EVER.
Alright, I admit that video was pretty awesome.
Really great except he keeps mispronouncing Alderaan.
No, I'm not an overly picky nerd at all, why do you ask?
Quote from: Black Vulmea;637967The Death Star. Luke Skywalker. The exhaust vent.
You think you know the story.
Think again (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2dvv-Yib1Xg).
Tell me this would not make the best SW campaign EVER.
So when are you going to run it?
Nope, I'm pickier than you.
Wedge didn't make an attack run. He was Luke's wingman and Luke waved him off. It was Red Leader, who died shortly after. Not every ship was destroyed. Luke, Wedge and Keyan Farlander (the lone Y-Wing to survive the attack on the Death Star).
This is a reason for Internet being so great. Despite the accuracy or lack of it, the idea and execution are genius.
Quote from: thedungeondelver;637984Nope, I'm pickier than you.
Here't the thing: the video seemed to be a parody of conspiracy theories... some accidental or deliberate mis-statements of fact could be part and parcel of the satire. Conspiracy theorists do that all the time, so a video parodying them should have that "got a few basic facts wrong" element.
(Of course, maybe it wasn't deliberate. In which case, my comment no longer applies.)
Quote from: Piestrio;637977Really great except he keeps mispronouncing Alderaan.
No, I'm not an overly picky nerd at all, why do you ask?
Actually, my overly picky nerd reaction was: "How is this one guy getting information from both secret Rebel and classified Imperial sources? And why is he referring to secret events as if they were common knowledge?"
In other words, I was approaching it as a worldbuilding problem: "This video was made by a character in the Star Wars Universe. Here are some problems with that..."
Quote from: Daddy Warpig;638139Actually, my overly picky nerd reaction was: "How is this one guy getting information from both secret Rebel and classified Imperial sources? And why is he referring to secret events as if they were common knowledge?"
In other words, I was approaching it as a worldbuilding problem: "This video was made by a character in the Star Wars Universe. Here are some problems with that..."
The video is a bit of propaganda from an Imperial faction that wants too see Lord Vader ousted as the Emperor's right-hand-man. That is my own plot complication assessment.
Quote from: Daddy Warpig;638139Here't the thing: the video seemed to be a parody of conspiracy theories... some accidental or deliberate mis-statements of fact could be part and parcel of the satire. Conspiracy theorists do that all the time, so a video parodying them should have that "got a few basic facts wrong" element.
Probably; I was just out-nerding Piestro :)
Damnit, it has too much potential, I'm going to have to incorporate this into my own d6 Star Wars games somehow....
Quote from: jeff37923;637980So when are you going to run it?
I'm not. Not even looking to play in it.
But the idea that what everyone accepts as 'canon' in the movies is nothing more than 'history as written by the victors,' that it was all a complex plot to take control of the galaxy by the Skywalker family and that the movies are an invention to cover their tracks, is amazingly appealing.
That. Was. AWESOME!
Thanks BV!
My overly picky nerd reaction was "Why does he identify her as Leia Organa Solo, but he seems to have no idea that the Corellian Freighter is the Millennium Falcon?".
Quote from: Jacob Marley;638275That. Was. AWESOME!
Thanks BV!
:hatsoff:
Quote from: Piestrio;637977Really great except he keeps mispronouncing Alderaan.
Quote from: thedungeondelver;637984Wedge didn't make an attack run. He was Luke's wingman and Luke waved him off. It was Red Leader, who died shortly after. Not every ship was destroyed. Luke, Wedge and Keyan Farlander (the lone Y-Wing to survive the attack on the Death Star).
Quote from: Tommy Brownell;638277My overly picky nerd reaction was "Why does he identify her as Leia Organa Solo, but he seems to have no idea that the Corellian Freighter is the Millennium Falcon?"
YOU ALL NEED TO GET LAID.
I thought this was awesome, and it would make a fantastic campaign.
You are imperial Agents. You know that Vader has been in touch with key members of the Rebellion. You must gather enough evidence to bring charges against him.
My only problem with this is that it wasn't really known that Anakin Skywalker survived the Clone Wars. It was assumed he was killed during Order 66 along with all the other traiterous Jedi scum. From what I know, the only people who knew Anakin was Darth Vader were Obi-Wan Kenobi, Yoda, and Palpatine. Maybe a few clones too, but Palpatine probably killed them all after the fact. I don't even think Tarkin knew that they were one in the same, and according to the Clone Wars cartoon, he knew and talked to Anakin many times. I don't think anyone could make any kind of Skywalker-Vader connection if they didn't know the family history.
Quote from: Endless Flight;638362My only problem with this is that it wasn't really known that Anakin Skywalker survived the Clone Wars. It was assumed he was killed during Order 66 along with all the other traiterous Jedi scum. From what I know, the only people who knew Anakin was Darth Vader were Obi-Wan Kenobi, Yoda, and Palpatine. Maybe a few clones too, but Palpatine probably killed them all after the fact. I don't even think Tarkin knew that they were one in the same, and according to the Clone Wars cartoon, he knew and talked to Anakin many times. I don't think anyone could make any kind of Skywalker-Vader connection if they didn't know the family history.
Ummmm... Anikin had some time as Darth Vader before being crammed into the suit.
He sure didn't sneak into the Jedi Temple.
Quote from: Piestrio;638390Ummmm... Anikin had some time as Darth Vader before being crammed into the suit.
He sure didn't sneak into the Jedi Temple.
Who was alive after the fact to share the knowledge? The temple was basically gutted after the Jedi were destroyed and I'm sure the security recordings were all scrubbed.
Quote from: Endless Flight;638391Who was alive after the fact to share the knowledge?
An entire legion of Storm Troopers? Bail Organa? Anyone else in the area? The Emperor's Guards? Advisors?
Quote from: Piestrio;638392An entire legion of Storm Troopers? Bail Organa? Anyone else in the area? The Emperor's Guards? Advisors?
How would they know Anakin was Darth Vader? Look at how few people actually saw the transformation and then look at how many people were actually alive between the time he was outside the armor and inside. It's not that many.
Quote from: Piestrio;638392An entire legion of Storm Troopers? Bail Organa? Anyone else in the area? The Emperor's Guards? Advisors?
How would they know Anakin was Darth Vader? Look at how few people actually saw the transformation and then look at how many people were actually alive between the time he was outside the armor and inside. It's not that many.
Take it for what it's worth, but in one of the EU books
Shadows of Mindor, it was said that the public believed Anakin was one of the last Jedi wiped out in the temple.
Quote from: Endless Flight;638397How would they know Anakin was Darth Vader? Look at how few people actually saw the transformation and then look at how many people were actually alive between the time he was outside the armor and inside. It's not that many.
Do you ever feel like a pedantic nerd?
Quote from: danbuter;638410Do you ever feel like a pedantic nerd?
First, let me look up pendantic. ::browses freedictionary.com::
You'll have to come up with a better adjective. :D
Death Star was an inside job, i've seen the documents!
If you take away our tie fighters, Alderaan will commence again!
Amusing. It would certainly make for a very different SW campaign than the norm.
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Quite clever and really, it only has as many oddities/holes as the original story anyway.
It would make a great campaign. I could imagine the pc's at first siding with the rebels and players maybe thinking this was all a bit ho-hum (I mean, they know what happens right?), then slowly discovering the Skywalkers were trying to take over the galaxy for themselves. Sweet.
The problem would be keeping the players interest before the twist (perhaps it works better if they are the kind who just ignore the war/use it to make profits until the slowly stumble on the twist).
Then you end up with a three-way clusterfuck finale, Empire vs Rebels sand Jedis vs Skywalker loyalists + Jedi and the PC's somewhere in the mix. Great.
Screw the mistakes. It's a brilliant take-off on 9/11 Truthers, complete with crime family, and of conspiracy theorists in general.
Quote from: AteTheHeckUp;638774Screw the mistakes. It's a brilliant take-off on 9/11 Truthers, complete with crime family, and of conspiracy theorists in general.
That was my guess. Hilarious as satire, fodder for picky nerds. (Like, I admit, myself).
The one problem I see with it is that these "conspiracy theory" nuts who try to claim that the world is being secretly run by all-powerful evil satanic fascist jews are usually only able to (ironically) exist in free democratic societies; in the Empire, that sort of shit wouldn't be tolerated or popular.
The one exception of course being autocratic societies where its the despotic government itself that's pushing conspiracy theories, like Cuba or North Korea sometimes do about the U.S.; there, belief in said theories is now mandatory.
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Quote from: RPGPundit;639910The one problem I see with it is that these "conspiracy theory" nuts who try to claim that the world is being secretly run by all-powerful evil satanic fascist jews are usually only able to (ironically) exist in free democratic societies; in the Empire, that sort of shit wouldn't be tolerated or popular.
The one exception of course being autocratic societies where its the despotic government itself that's pushing conspiracy theories, like Cuba or North Korea sometimes do about the U.S.; there, belief in said theories is now mandatory.
RPGpundit
I disagree that these conspiracy theories would be useless in the Empire. I can see them being used as bait to attract
potential rebels and miscreants, if only to have them be arrested and re-educated.
The Emperor seemed to enjoy having multiple plots going on like an acrobat spinning plates in the air, mainly to keep his rivals at each others throats so that they could not band together in enough numbers to unseat him.
Quote from: jeff37923;639990I disagree that these conspiracy theories would be useless in the Empire. I can see them being used as bait to attract potential rebels and miscreants, if only to have them be arrested and re-educated.
Fair enough. It could be credible as a counter-subversion plot.
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