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BESM

Started by PencilBoy99, May 25, 2016, 08:32:05 PM

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Orphan81

2nd edition is the fastest with more crunch than 1st...

But for me, 3rd edition is the best. It's really an amazing Anime system that really allows you to build any type of Anime game you want, from Shonin with special fighting techniques, to Shojo where being able to cook well is the most important skill.

The cost of powers and skills come on a sliding scale based on the type of Anime genre you're going for (something that also existed in 2nd but 3rd has more tools to work with). Playing your Samurai action secret technique game? Combat Skills are expensive, but being able to cook, dance, or play an instrument is cheap. Doing a High School romance game? Well you can be the most bad ass mother fucker who ever existed... to bad it'll never actually help you in the game beyond maybe being the captain of the Kendo club... but those social skills and hobby skills are suddenly expensive and important.

It also has an awesome built in setting that's a multi-verse of different 'worlds' of Anime genres connected to by interdimensonal portals and pathways. It allows you to make a mixed group of Anime Protagonists and setting hop if you like.
1)Don't let anyone's political agenda interfere with your enjoyment of games, regardless of their 'side'.

2) Don't forget to talk about things you enjoy. Don't get mired in constant negativity.

Omega

As one fan of the game stated once to me.

"BESM does Gurps better than Gurps."

RunningLaser

I tried reading Tri Stat dx a few times.  I don't know what was in that book, but I couldn't get through more than a few pages...  The only memory I have of it were those ad pics in the back, one of a guy in a sun chair, the other woman sitting down with a laptop- looked straight out of the cheesy ads in the back of Boy's Life.

It's too bad, I've heard much good stuff about it.

TristramEvans

Quote from: RunningLaser;900808I tried reading Tri Stat dx a few times.  I don't know what was in that book, but I couldn't get through more than a few pages...  The only memory I have of it were those ad pics in the back, one of a guy in a sun chair, the other woman sitting down with a laptop- looked straight out of the cheesy ads in the back of Boy's Life.

It's too bad, I've heard much good stuff about it.

DX seemed like a good idea, but it kinda lacked something of the wonderful simplicity of the 2e engine . I remember reading the 2e rulebook and just thinking how it would be perfect for superheroes, and then was very excited for Silver Age Sentinels, but when it came out it just seemed like the magic was lost somehow.

Nihilistic Mind

As others have pointed out, BESM and any Tri-Stat system is a solid choice. It is easy to customize. The system is simple and easy for new players to pick up, there are many supplements available, and as far as I have seen the various editions are compatible with one another.
The system is a roll under vs Attribute + Skill with two dice (BESM uses two D6s; Ex Machina (cyberpunk Tri-Stat book)uses two D8s; there may be others out there but I am not familiar with them).
Running:
Dungeon Crawl Classics (influences: Elric vs. Mythos, Darkest Dungeon, Castlevania).
DCC In Space!
Star Wars with homemade ruleset (Roll&Keep type system).

Omega

Quote from: TristramEvans;900830DX seemed like a good idea, but it kinda lacked something of the wonderful simplicity of the 2e engine . I remember reading the 2e rulebook and just thinking how it would be perfect for superheroes, and then was very excited for Silver Age Sentinels, but when it came out it just seemed like the magic was lost somehow.

Very lacking "something".

It feels too long? Like there is more there than there should be? That is the feeling I keep getting for some reason.

TristramEvans

Quote from: Omega;900932Very lacking "something".

It feels too long? Like there is more there than there should be? That is the feeling I keep getting for some reason.

Yeah, it seemed like there was added complexity that didnt actually add anything to the game. Great history of the genre to introduce the game though, and probably the only non-Marvel/DC game where the NPCs were interesting enough to consider using.

Shawn Merrow

I had a lot of fun with BESM 2nd. They had some real nice anime setting books. I ran games with Dominion Tank Police, Slayers and Tenchi Muyo. My favorite was Slayers as it easily matched the over the top magic as seen in the anime.

Recap of a Slayers game I ran.
Spoiler

Starts off with Lina Inverse and Gourry Gabriev heading into town. They stop along the way to do a little fishing. On the way into town they notice all the local fields are barren. At the inn they order a large meal. When they get the check and find out it's 500 gold pieces Lina has a fit. The owner says since the local crops have failed, food prices have soared. The crops failed because a magic staff was stolen by a group of bandits two months back. The staff made the area have large harvests. They are offered a deal if they get the staff back the meal will be free.

The players agree to the deal and head out to find the bandits. Its a group of 50 who have been raiding the area for the last year and living in an old fort. Lina decides to disguise themselves as bandits looking for work to sneak in. It seems to work and they get in to meet the boss. The boss listens to their pitch about looking for work. He then says there is word that Lina Inverse is in the area and goes into a list of unflattering comments about her. This causes Lina to snap and give herself away.

A battle with the guards in the room ends quickly and the boss is captured. The bad news he sold the staff to a merchant a few days ago since he had no use for it. They decided to take the boss with them to the merchant but an attack from some archers allows him to escape back into the fort. A last remark about a "Flat chested wench" ends with the fort being hit by a Dragon Slave.

They find the merchant (Carlos) in a town holding a festival. He bought the magic staff to be a prize in a Brass Racquets tournament. Carlos thinks having Lina enter would boost the attendance so he offers to pay their way in. When registering they run into some old friends Martina and Zangulus who have also entered. Martina gets a laugh when she points out that Gourry does not know how to play. It looks bad till Xellos walks in an offers to be Lina's partner. They ask him why and he just says he was bored and Lina is always up to something. The games goes well with Lina getting two quick knockouts. The final with the Martina team takes a while (player and GM not rolling worth a damn) but in the end Lina wins.

Carlos holds up the prize and as they walk to get it a figure rips it out of his hand and runs off. A quick look around shows Xellos has already disappeared so they give chase. They catch up to him about a mile outside city limits. At that point Gourry notices its a Mazoku (monster in the dub). He says he was the one who had the bandits steal the staff to cause chaos in the area. After a short fight he falls to the Sword of Light. Xellos is heard in the distance saying "Fun as always Lina."

A quick trip brings them back to the original town and they return the staff. Being hungry they order another meal and get yet another big check. The owner explains it will take a bit for food prices to drop. Not wanting to pay they dine and dash and are chased for a few miles out of town by the staff screaming "Pay for your dinner."

Wiroki

Unfortunately BESM 3e was tagged as an "Anime/Manga" RPG after that craze had cooled somewhat in the U.S.

If it'd been marketed as a generic system however...

jcfiala

Quote from: Wiroki;903132Unfortunately BESM 3e was tagged as an "Anime/Manga" RPG after that craze had cooled somewhat in the U.S.

If it'd been marketed as a generic system however...

Eh, the problem with BESM 3e wasn't being associated with anime - it was being associated with Guardians of Order, which had gone out of business badly.

Honestly, Manga still seems pretty huge - I go through the local libraries and the local B&N, and there's shelves and shelves of manga there.
 

Armchair Gamer

Quote from: jcfiala;903139Eh, the problem with BESM 3e wasn't being associated with anime - it was being associated with Guardians of Order, which had gone out of business.

And Mark MacKinnon left the company in such a state that it's not clear what can be done with the properties beyond making PDFs/POD copies available.

TristramEvans

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;903143And Mark MacKinnon left the company in such a state that it's not clear what can be done with the properties beyond making PDFs/POD copies available.

Is there more to that story? Curious, as I wasn't hitting the forums heavy at the time so didn't catch any of the drama regarding GoO.

kosmos1214

Quote from: TristramEvans;903155Is there more to that story? Curious, as I wasn't hitting the forums heavy at the time so didn't catch any of the drama regarding GoO.

yah all i ever heard is they went belly up with no details

Omega

#28
Quote from: TristramEvans;903155Is there more to that story? Curious, as I wasn't hitting the forums heavy at the time so didn't catch any of the drama regarding GoO.

There used to be a site up by one of the former staff (or just freelancer?) with all sorts of details on some of the scams run by someone at GOO. Not sure who now gone and last I checked it was a virus trap. Too bad as there were articles on other RPG and con scams too. Whatever happened I know artists werent paid, possibly designers werent and when MacKinnon resurfaced with a KS there was some angry folks warning not to trust his "Ive Changed! Trust me!" claims a few years back.

According to the report. Part of the problem was that GOO was counting on the Canadian dollar being strong and did not adapt as that factor changed.

Omega

#29
Found part of it. Waybacking to the safe version.



http://web.archive.org/web/20130522200448/http://misfit-studios.com/blog/press-release/pd46fx-update-mark-mackinnon-deserve-money-chance

And this. Watch out for any links back to Misfits site as dont know if its still virused.

https://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/962952/can-you-trust-designer

And heres Mac posting on RPGG not long after that and James Lowder spoke up pretty quick.

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/963033/mark-mackinnon-addresses-guardians-order-closure-c

Total mess.