Maybe if Mark wrote a blog post somewhere apologizing and pledging to make right all the freelancers he screwed, I might be inclined to forgive him. I appreciate your willingness to forgive him Doc Sammy, that's big of you. Maybe if he comes out and offers the hobby some explanation and an apology, I would be inclined to do so as well.

Anyone who wants to make Mark C. MacKinnon a pariah and permanently blackball him from the industry over financial misdeeds from a decade and a half ago instead of giving him one more chance to bring back BESM and possibly even redeem himself in doing so can go fuck themselves.

You fuckers who want to make Mark C. MacKinnon are part of the cancer that is killing the RPG hobby, right up there with RPGnet, Jessica Price, ConTessa, and the Neo-Bolshevik fuckers at Onyx Path.

Do our hobby a favor and either shut up (don't like it, don't buy it) or get in the grave with Stan Lee, GG Allin, and Vladimir Lenin.

Quote from: trechriron;1085344Maybe if Mark wrote a blog post somewhere apologizing and pledging to make right all the freelancers he screwed, I might be inclined to forgive him. I appreciate your willingness to forgive him Doc Sammy, that's big of you. Maybe if he comes out and offers the hobby some explanation and an apology, I would be inclined to do so as well.

Who knows, he just might do so.

We're still in the early stages of this project, and already the MCU fantards and the RPGnet commie punk hipsters are out for MacKinnon's blood.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1085345Anyone who wants to make Mark C. MacKinnon a pariah and permanently blackball him from the industry over financial misdeeds from a decade and a half ago instead of giving him one more chance to bring back BESM and possibly even redeem himself in doing so can go fuck themselves.

Wow, what happened to:

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1085340Well, to each their own.

Seems to me you're getting a bit pissy because people don't agree with you.  If you want to support MacKinnon, awesome, do so.  But telling people who don't want to support him to fuck themselves?

Quote from: Chunkthulhu;1085348Wow, what happened to:



Seems to me you're getting a bit pissy because people don't agree with you.  If you want to support MacKinnon, awesome, do so.  But telling people who don't want to support him to fuck themselves?

No, I'm telling those who want to permanently make MacKinnon a pariah in the hobby to go fuck themselves.

If you don't want to support his projects and you leave it at that, I don't have any problem with that at all. It's your money and you can do whatever you want with it.

If you really have a hate-boner for Mark C. MacKinnon, just don't buy his products. I won't get pissy over that.

Trying to blackball him from the hobby over grievances from a decade and a half-ago makes you no better than the Leninist scum at RPGnet, and that is the kind of hypocrisy I do get pissed at.

It really is nice to have a place to talk about gaming where people are into actual conversation about games instead of choosing emotional rampages.

Quote from: Manic Modron;1085352It really is nice to have a place to talk about gaming where people are into actual conversation about games instead of choosing emotional rampages.

Eh, point conceded.

On a more positive note, I hope this BESM 4E project works out well because BESM 1E is my favorite RPG of all time.

Doc Sammy...BESM via Silver Age Sentinels was my A+ go-to for Marvel RPGing. It freaking rules for "capeshit".

As for Mark MacKinnon...we are in a weird world.

Businesses fail. It's an unhappy real thing, especially because most businesses leave behind heavy debts, ripped off employees and often ripped off customers as they go down.

However, in the USA, we have bankruptcy court where people can flush debt and start over.

And that's a good thing overall. You don't want creative entrepreneurs permanently out of the market BUT you also don't want shitbags just ripping off people, flushing the business and making a living doing a rinse and repeat.

Because of social media, we all know about Mark's crimes against the hobby.

But what do you know about your favorite pizza place? Your auto mechanic? Your accountant? That yummy taco truck?

It's quite possible ALL of them left shitstorms behind when a previous business imploded.

So where you draw the line (and why) becomes a personal and "selectively moral" choice.

First off I am not Marvel fanboy. Second Doc if you don't want others discussing your post don't fucking post it here.  Your acting just like those nutjobs over at rpg.net.  it is the usual blind fanboy bullshit. If it was rpg developer xyz you disliked  releasing a new edition you would be calling for his head. Since your a fan of BESM surprise surprise suddenly all is forgiven simpkly because you want to get a new edition of BESM. As I said when it's not your money one can forgive anything. If he fucked you over you would be screaming bloody murder.

I concede maybe I am being harsh toward Mark yet he has shown no real regret or remorse beyond "too bad so sad...it was not my company but GOO". Maybe I am talking out of my ass and the new edition not only is Kickstartered it is successfully or the first print run sells out. As we can see with the new Fantasy Trip Kickstarter all the negativity from tpg.net and the SJWs is not hurting that Kickstarter.

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/963033/mark-mackinnon-addresses-guardians-order-closure-c/page/1

If anything I trust Mark even less. Nothing says trust a fraudster more than " I know what happened  last time but the second time will be different honest".

He financially screwed over people I like and hides behind the "company" failing. Failing of course because of his own bad planning and financial choices, add to that an unwillingness to take responsibility for debts he created. Nope. Not giving him the benefit of the doubt. You support him? Cool for you. Enjoy. Don't be surprised when it all falls apart.

This is another one of those "I'll wait until the product is finished before I put one dime into it" situations. I'm not saying I won't give this guy a chance to wow me with a product, but I'm not going to risk anything on it product unseen.

At least two of the three illustrations featured on the announcement are straight off of #DeviantArt and several years old. Scouring places like that for existing art is a smart move, though I do wonder what kind of license he has to use them for promotional purposes.

Quote from: Brad;1085338Which brings up another question: how SHOULD failed Kickstarters be handled? JMal and Skarka stand out as two KS shysters I'd never trust ever again. Am I supposed to just say after 10 years, yeah, I'll back a JMal KS for Dwimmermounting Dos even though he demonstrated he is untrustworthy? What's the statue of limitations on being full of shit?

That's a fair question, and I don't think there is one. You either end up trusting the person again or you don't.

That said there's a world of difference between someone like MacKinnon whose failures can be blamed on gross incompetence and misplaced optimism and someone like Skarka who despises his fans, condemns his supporters, doxxes his opponents (or rather fails to and doxxes the wrong people), threatens to punch people in the throat, and had to work under a pseudonym for #Modiphius to avoid bad press.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1085341White Wolf would not have signed off on letting him do this if they thought he was going to make the same mistakes again.

Wait, wasn't #WhiteWolf dissolved as an entity? And when did you decide they were a good judge of character?

I guess you're a goth after all

Quote from: sureshot;1085494https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/963033/mark-mackinnon-addresses-guardians-order-closure-c/page/1

If anything I trust Mark even less. Nothing says trust a fraudster more than " I know what happened  last time but the second time will be different honest".

Thing is that post was from 2013, and the second time did turn out to be different.

For those of you deeply into anime, what has changed significantly in the genre in the past 2 decades since BESM 1e came out?

How would a RPG include those new changes?

Quote from: Spinachcat;1086096For those of you deeply into anime, what has changed significantly in the genre in the past 2 decades since BESM 1e came out?

How would a RPG include those new changes?

The first question is better answered at /r/anime over at Reddit. Go there.

Once you have that answer, the second question sorts itself out.