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Bards need to be taken back to their origins

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Dropbear:
The overuse of Vicious Mockery in the 5E games I have been a part of as of late makes me want to gag…

Bedrockbrendan:

--- Quote from: jeff37923 on January 15, 2022, 10:17:01 PM ---The sweet spot for me is the AD&D 2E Bard and the D&D 3.x Bard. Functional jack-of-all-trades with access to a lot information from medieval media and social interaction.

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Same for me. I still have fond memories of the Complete Bard's Handbook for 2E. They were a bit on the ren-faire side, but they fit and were great in the hands of a player who knew how to make them 'sing'

Aglondir:

--- Quote from: Dropbear on January 16, 2022, 10:09:48 PM ---The overuse of Vicious Mockery in the 5E games I have been a part of as of late makes me want to gag…

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One of the several reasons why I won't play 5E anymore.

cavalier973:
Interesting that the guy with the nickname “the Bard” was a playwright instead of a musician.

My view of bards comes from “The Chronicles of Prydain”, where bards played harps, but were more known as the keepers of ancient lore. Fflewdur Fflam spends most of the series acting as one, but isn’t officially a bard. Adaon in “The Black Cauldron” is the son of the Chief Bard, Taliesin, as I recall, but in that story has not yet taken the test to enter the profession. He gives Taran a brooch that increases the wearer’s insight and perception, but Taran eventually realizes that Adaon had these attributes already.

Banjo Destructo:
Does this mean you think players should gain levels in thief & fighter and then switch to bard?  Or just that bards should be more like the powers of old without all the strange restrictions?

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