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Author Topic: BAIZUO (pazio) Going Union! The beginning of the end!?  (Read 11088 times)

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Re: BAIZUO (pazio) Going Union! The beginning of the end!?
« Reply #90 on: October 17, 2021, 02:52:41 PM »
Psst. All Hasro-branded games and toys are union-made.

Where do you get that idea? A lot of it's made in China, and China doesn't have unions.
You don't make anything in China without the involvement of the All-China Federation of Trade Unions.

And we all know how great are the commies for the common worker.

You also don't make anything in China without profiting from slave labor.
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Re: BAIZUO (pazio) Going Union! The beginning of the end!?
« Reply #91 on: October 22, 2021, 11:53:26 AM »
Paizo announced that they've voluntarily recognized the union.

https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6shum?Paizo-Recognizes-United-Paizo-Workers

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Re: BAIZUO (pazio) Going Union! The beginning of the end!?
« Reply #92 on: October 22, 2021, 02:03:22 PM »
Greetings!

*Sigh* Well, Unions are simply poor at allowing any employee to be provided with appropriate reward for superior performance. For a kind of job and a kind of company that employs lots of different people doing different things and contributing in different ways, organizing into a Union is a terrible idea. Unions, depending on the type and industry--and how the Union itself is managed, operated, and staffed--can be very good, and helpful. At other times, they absolutely stifle individual progress and reward, and erode innovation and ambition, making everyone into generally passable worker-bees that do just enough work to not get fired, and seldom being eager to do much beyond that.

Good for Baizuo. I hope they drive the company into the ground.

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Re: BAIZUO (pazio) Going Union! The beginning of the end!?
« Reply #93 on: October 22, 2021, 02:06:53 PM »
Greetings!

*Sigh* Well, Unions are simply poor at allowing any employee to be provided with appropriate reward for superior performance. For a kind of job and a kind of company that employs lots of different people doing different things and contributing in different ways, organizing into a Union is a terrible idea. Unions, depending on the type and industry--and how the Union itself is managed, operated, and staffed--can be very good, and helpful. At other times, they absolutely stifle individual progress and reward, and erode innovation and ambition, making everyone into generally passable worker-bees that do just enough work to not get fired, and seldom being eager to do much beyond that.

Good for Baizuo. I hope they drive the company into the ground.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

"Stop working so hard, you're making the others look bad"

Something the union representative told me on one of my early jobs.

And what's the point of working harder if you can't ask for a rise because your position has a salary top and they would need to rise the salary of everybody in your position?

At least in México Unions only work is to make the leader rich.
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Re: BAIZUO (pazio) Going Union! The beginning of the end!?
« Reply #94 on: October 22, 2021, 02:14:15 PM »
Greetings!

*Sigh* Well, Unions are simply poor at allowing any employee to be provided with appropriate reward for superior performance. For a kind of job and a kind of company that employs lots of different people doing different things and contributing in different ways, organizing into a Union is a terrible idea. Unions, depending on the type and industry--and how the Union itself is managed, operated, and staffed--can be very good, and helpful. At other times, they absolutely stifle individual progress and reward, and erode innovation and ambition, making everyone into generally passable worker-bees that do just enough work to not get fired, and seldom being eager to do much beyond that.

Good for Baizuo. I hope they drive the company into the ground.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

"Stop working so hard, you're making the others look bad"

Something the union representative told me on one of my early jobs.

And what's the point of working harder if you can't ask for a rise because your position has a salary top and they would need to rise the salary of everybody in your position?

At least in México Unions only work is to make the leader rich.

Greetings!

*LAUGHING* Oh, my God, Hermano! I was also working in a Union, and I had a co-worker say the EXACT SAME THING TO ME!

*Laughing* Amazing how compatible English and Spanish is! *Rolling* Ahh, geesus. Yeah, Iknow historically, Unions in some jobs have been very important at creating balance with management and genuinely forging better pay and working conditions for employees. That, however, is only in some industries, and was a long time ago.

Most Unions in most industries today are likewise corrupt and inefficient that don't actually do much for the worker, and much of the time they punish and discourage excellence, achievement and ambition, and instead promote laziness and bland do-nothing mediocrity.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
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Re: BAIZUO (pazio) Going Union! The beginning of the end!?
« Reply #95 on: October 22, 2021, 02:31:14 PM »
Greetings!

*Sigh* Well, Unions are simply poor at allowing any employee to be provided with appropriate reward for superior performance. For a kind of job and a kind of company that employs lots of different people doing different things and contributing in different ways, organizing into a Union is a terrible idea. Unions, depending on the type and industry--and how the Union itself is managed, operated, and staffed--can be very good, and helpful. At other times, they absolutely stifle individual progress and reward, and erode innovation and ambition, making everyone into generally passable worker-bees that do just enough work to not get fired, and seldom being eager to do much beyond that.

Good for Baizuo. I hope they drive the company into the ground.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

"Stop working so hard, you're making the others look bad"

Something the union representative told me on one of my early jobs.

And what's the point of working harder if you can't ask for a rise because your position has a salary top and they would need to rise the salary of everybody in your position?

At least in México Unions only work is to make the leader rich.

Greetings!

*LAUGHING* Oh, my God, Hermano! I was also working in a Union, and I had a co-worker say the EXACT SAME THING TO ME!

*Laughing* Amazing how compatible English and Spanish is! *Rolling* Ahh, geesus. Yeah, Iknow historically, Unions in some jobs have been very important at creating balance with management and genuinely forging better pay and working conditions for employees. That, however, is only in some industries, and was a long time ago.

Most Unions in most industries today are likewise corrupt and inefficient that don't actually do much for the worker, and much of the time they punish and discourage excellence, achievement and ambition, and instead promote laziness and bland do-nothing mediocrity.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

So the Baizuo Union will change nothing in their products? Or it will make them even worst?
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Re: BAIZUO (pazio) Going Union! The beginning of the end!?
« Reply #96 on: October 22, 2021, 03:13:05 PM »
UPDATE:  Ninja'd by Kreegan!

Dude!
Pazio Baizuo announced that they've voluntarily recognized the union.

https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo6shum?Paizo-Recognizes-United-Paizo-Workers


For those of you who refuse to click a link on anything Baizuo related:

Baizuo is pleased to announce it has voluntarily recognized the United Baizuo Workers union, which is affiliated with the Communications Workers of America (CWA).

“We look forward to working with the union to continue and expand our efforts to make Baizuo a better place to work and to ensure that Pathfinder and Starfinder products continue to exceed gamer expectations for many years to come,” said Jeff Alvarez, President of Baizuo.

The next steps will involve the United Baizuo Workers (UPW) union electing their bargaining representatives and then meeting with Baizuo management to negotiate terms for a collective bargaining agreement. We expect this process to take some time, but we are committed to the effort and hope to settle a contract in due course. Until an agreement is reached, the Baizuo staff continues to focus on creating amazing Pathfinder and Starfinder products.

Baizuo has always been about creating awesome games, and we look forward to the changes that unionization will bring to the company. Please join us on this journey by following the UPW on Twitter and stay tuned for future updates!

Baizuo is now beyond screwed...

The details of the collective bargaining agreement will be what determines how fast the Baizuo ship sinks...

I expect wonderful shenanigans in the coming years!


Something to keep in mind going forward when seeing the results of Baizuo's unionization with SJW commies:

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/396076.php
Ethan Van Sciver did a great podcast about what happens when you hire SJW political extremists in your company.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjX8OjRBfEc&t=1032s

Here are some of the main points, with my own elaborations included.

1. Whatever your company used to be in the business of making, that is no longer your primary business. SJWs don’t care about the widgets you’re making. They take over your company and direct it to produce political extremist propaganda as its main product. Your company will only be permitted to produce widgets to the extent that widget-production helps fund your business’ new primary mission of producing propaganda and repression.

If your widget production interferes with the production of politically extremist propaganda, they will sabotage your widget output.

2. SJWs always seek to either curry favor with the human resources and diversity enforcement departments of a company, or, better yet, infest and take over the these departments of a company.

Companies actually allow this because they put most of their diversity hires into human resources and diversity enforcement, thinking that’s the way to appease SJWs, and that’s where these largely-unskilled, largely mentally-ill incompetents can do the least harm.

That’s 100% wrong.

If they were put in any other department — any department charged with producing things of value– their toxicity and dysfunction would cause the company to fire them for their malignance. They subtract value; they do not add to it.

But these corporations keep assigning them to the very departments were toxicity and dysfunction are rewarded. And this, these toxic, dysfunctional people are allowed to rise and exert authority over the previously healthy and productive parts of the company.

3. SJW “employees” will ultimately invert the boss-employee relationship, making themselves the bosses who tell the on-paper CEO and president what they’ll be doing now. They achieve this through socio-political blackmail and threats to destroy the company through a coordinated reputational damage operation.

We see this all the time. The SJW extremists are increasingly brazen about asserting that they, not the CEO or president or shareholders, run Bartertown.

So it looks like it's time to stock up on the popcorn kids; because Baizuo is going for a ride!

Right now, there is only one thing left for us to do:

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Re: BAIZUO (pazio) Going Union! The beginning of the end!?
« Reply #97 on: October 22, 2021, 03:21:55 PM »
Well, historically, the most successful* union trajectory goes something like this: 

1. Company is seriously taking advantage of employees.
2. Union forms because strength in numbers.
3. Company bargained into being more fair.
4. Union has achieved its purpose but does not, of course, disband.
5. Union has to find other things--not necessarily important or even relevant or even useful--to agitate about.
6. Left unchecked, this either turns into a corrupt crime ring or a festering cancer.  (If you had to pick your poison and had a brain, you'd pick crime ring every time, which says something about how bad the cancer is.)

With this particular example, I'm most curious about step 1.  And I don't see how "crime ring" is going to be an out in this case, given the amount of brains and money involved.  So festering cancer it is!

*Particularly unsuccessful ones skip steps or fly through them so fast if you blink, you miss it.  Successful companies that have avoided step 6 (thus far) have unions wandering aimlessly around in the woods of step 5.
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Re: BAIZUO (pazio) Going Union! The beginning of the end!?
« Reply #98 on: October 22, 2021, 03:28:33 PM »
I can’t help but pity the heads of Paizo. Competition is good. An underdog was king for a short while.

Let it be a lesson to us all: do not appease parasites.

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Re: BAIZUO (pazio) Going Union! The beginning of the end!?
« Reply #99 on: October 22, 2021, 06:30:34 PM »
Eric Tenkar over on Tenkar's Tavern posted also that some of those 'freelancers' working for Paizo that held back work include several full time employees that also do extra work for more money.

Kind of makes me wonder if they've been doing the right thing taxwise or maybe Washington state should be looking into it.
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Re: BAIZUO (pazio) Going Union! The beginning of the end!?
« Reply #100 on: October 22, 2021, 07:27:24 PM »
Kind of makes me wonder if they've been doing the right thing taxwise or maybe Washington state should be looking into it.

How much tax do you think you are going to be able to get?

Its not Soros or Musk freelancing RPG products.
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Re: BAIZUO (pazio) Going Union! The beginning of the end!?
« Reply #101 on: October 22, 2021, 09:42:27 PM »
Eric Tenkar over on Tenkar's Tavern posted also that some of those 'freelancers' working for Paizo that held back work include several full time employees that also do extra work for more money.

Kind of makes me wonder if they've been doing the right thing taxwise or maybe Washington state should be looking into it.

Washington State has no income tax so it would just be do they have a business license, do they make enough to file a return and what B&O tax they owe if any.  Doubtful the State is going to care.  Just like it's unlikely whatever city they live in is going to check in on them.  All that may change if work from home becomes a more permanent thing.

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Re: BAIZUO (pazio) Going Union! The beginning of the end!?
« Reply #102 on: October 22, 2021, 10:06:28 PM »
  Oh I get it, they moved their toy production to only 50 percent in china to move more production to the union heavy nations of India and Vietnam....https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/23/hasbro-to-cut-china-production-of-its-toys-looks-to-india-and-vietnam.html

   Union made, GTFO

Counter-evidence. The plot thickens.

Might it be that piece-parts are made in China, and the final products (Hasbro branded games and toys) are assembled in the US?

I think things branded as Hasbro are made in the US, and things not branded as Hasbro but sold by them are made outside the US.

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Re: BAIZUO (pazio) Going Union! The beginning of the end!?
« Reply #103 on: October 22, 2021, 10:08:40 PM »
Eric Tenkar over on Tenkar's Tavern posted also that some of those 'freelancers' working for Paizo that held back work include several full time employees that also do extra work for more money.

Kind of makes me wonder if they've been doing the right thing taxwise or maybe Washington state should be looking into it.

Uh, yeah. When your employee does "extra work" we call that overtime. And it's definitely supposed to include Medicare, Social Security, etc..

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Re: BAIZUO (pazio) Going Union! The beginning of the end!?
« Reply #104 on: October 22, 2021, 10:49:42 PM »
Eric Tenkar over on Tenkar's Tavern posted also that some of those 'freelancers' working for Paizo that held back work include several full time employees that also do extra work for more money.

Kind of makes me wonder if they've been doing the right thing taxwise or maybe Washington state should be looking into it.

Uh, yeah. When your employee does "extra work" we call that overtime. And it's definitely supposed to include Medicare, Social Security, etc..

That makes for a nice soundbite but it might not be true.  I couldn't find a US answer but it appears courts in Germany allow multiple employment contracts with the same employer.
https://www.globalworkplaceinsider.com/2017/11/working-as-a-freelancer-and-as-an-employee-for-the-same-company/
I suspect the same thing is true in the US.  Both parties would have to treat Freelance work differently than FTE work.