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Bad experiences with certain ttrpg communities
« on: September 10, 2022, 01:33:35 PM »
Anyone had bad experiences?

I joined the Mörk Borg Discord, unknowing of the fact it's infested with woke boys/girls/airplanes. I voice my opinion and get banned after being zerged on the main chat channel on the server but also in my pm inbox. I also got yelled at by Johan Nohr, the illustrator of the game, privately: If you don't adhere to the rules, be a bigot and show respect to people, than you're not welcome here!

What's happening with this world? Why are these people so toxic and "violent"? Don't get me wrong: I love the game. The design especially (since I am also into black metal - one of the genre's that inspired Nohr and Pelle to create the game), but also the game mechanics are brilliantly simple. BUT the community surrounding it - the attitude of the creators included - f*cked it up for me... I hate it.

Back to creating my own (NON WOKE) game..... Ciao forum :-)

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Re: Bad experiences with certain ttrpg communities
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2022, 01:38:40 PM »
Friends don't let friends get on discord. That's your first mistake.
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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2022, 01:50:31 PM »
I'm just curious as to what you said. Because generally speaking whenever I join retard Discords, I just don't talk about politics, nor do I argue with people, because - and this is a very important thing to consider - you will never change anybody's mind unless they're looking to have it changed. So I just don't bother. And it goes both ways. I was in a more-or-less right-wing Discord about a dude who wanted to run a homebrew PF game, that was going to touch on the issues of slavery. I was like "Okay, cool, are you going to treat it as realistic? Are you going to let us get revenge?" And then he and I got into an Alignment Argument (tm) and eventually I got kicked out because he (correctly) pointed out that he's the DM. I disagreed with that assessment, and left. No big loss, IMO, but the question remains:

What did you say that set them off?

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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2022, 01:56:34 PM »
I'm just curious as to what you said. Because generally speaking whenever I join retard Discords, I just don't talk about politics, nor do I argue with people, because - and this is a very important thing to consider - you will never change anybody's mind unless they're looking to have it changed. So I just don't bother. And it goes both ways. I was in a more-or-less right-wing Discord about a dude who wanted to run a homebrew PF game, that was going to touch on the issues of slavery. I was like "Okay, cool, are you going to treat it as realistic? Are you going to let us get revenge?" And then he and I got into an Alignment Argument (tm) and eventually I got kicked out because he (correctly) pointed out that he's the DM. I disagreed with that assessment, and left. No big loss, IMO, but the question remains:

What did you say that set them off?

First off, thanks for taking the time to respond.

I didn't know MB was a woke game for woke people made by woke people. I actually didn't know this.

And the thing I said was the following:
Is this a woke server/game? I didn't know this.
In response to that, "they/she" creature saying We don't like people like yourself.
And I responded: Well, you are are consistent with your pronouns: They, we. :-)

They didn't appreciate my joke. BECAUSE WOKE IS NO JOKE! (lal)

On a more serious note tho. Why are those woke people so on edge? Why can't they take jokes? Why am I a bigot and a transphobe? Shit.


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Re: Bad experiences with certain ttrpg communities
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2022, 01:57:52 PM »
Oh, goody, now we have a nazi apologist and a tard that loves to measure skulls but says he's not a nazi.

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Re: Bad experiences with certain ttrpg communities
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2022, 01:58:36 PM »
Oh, goody, now we have a nazi apologist and a tard that loves to measure skulls but says he's not a nazi.

Buying popcorn.

wrong thread but close enough :D
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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2022, 02:00:56 PM »
Oh, goody, now we have a nazi apologist and a tard that loves to measure skulls but says he's not a nazi.

Buying popcorn.

wrong thread but close enough :D

Can't comment on that one, I'm threadbanned.
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Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2022, 02:09:55 PM »
Oh, goody, now we have a nazi apologist and a tard that loves to measure skulls but says he's not a nazi.

Buying popcorn.

Off topic. Bye.


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Re: Bad experiences with certain ttrpg communities
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2022, 02:28:56 PM »
Anyone had bad experiences?

I joined the Mörk Borg Discord, unknowing of the fact it's infested with woke boys/girls/airplanes. I voice my opinion and get banned after being zerged on the main chat channel on the server but also in my pm inbox. I also got yelled at by Johan Nohr, the illustrator of the game, privately: If you don't adhere to the rules, be a bigot and show respect to people, than you're not welcome here!

What's happening with this world? Why are these people so toxic and "violent"? Don't get me wrong: I love the game. The design especially (since I am also into black metal - one of the genre's that inspired Nohr and Pelle to create the game), but also the game mechanics are brilliantly simple. BUT the community surrounding it - the attitude of the creators included - f*cked it up for me... I hate it.

Back to creating my own (NON WOKE) game..... Ciao forum :-)

David


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Re: Bad experiences with certain ttrpg communities
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2022, 03:09:26 PM »
Anyone had bad experiences?

I joined the Mörk Borg Discord, unknowing of the fact it's infested with woke boys/girls/airplanes. I voice my opinion and get banned after being zerged on the main chat channel on the server but also in my pm inbox. I also got yelled at by Johan Nohr, the illustrator of the game, privately: If you don't adhere to the rules, be a bigot and show respect to people, than you're not welcome here!

What's happening with this world? Why are these people so toxic and "violent"? Don't get me wrong: I love the game. The design especially (since I am also into black metal - one of the genre's that inspired Nohr and Pelle to create the game), but also the game mechanics are brilliantly simple. BUT the community surrounding it - the attitude of the creators included - f*cked it up for me... I hate it.

Back to creating my own (NON WOKE) game..... Ciao forum :-)

David


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True :-)


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Re: Bad experiences with certain ttrpg communities
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2022, 03:31:04 PM »
Toxicity is inescapable with any fandom, some more than others.

Incoming rant alert!

I have generally terrible experiences whenever I touch the WW fandom. Not surprisingly, considering these are the same people who sent Jess Henig hundreds of death threats because he oversaw metaplot developments in Mage 3e. I got into it around the time Vampire: The Requiem was introduced and jfc were the older fans super butthurt about it. They’re still butthurt now and will rip you a new asshole if you say anything positive about VtR. Or V5, which they also hate because it’s too much like VtR or whatever asinine justification I don’t care. Don’t get me wrong, I have my own criticisms of these games but I don’t irrationally hate them for being different from their predecessors. I once chatted with a guy who invented reasons to hate Changeling: The Lost because it was too focused on fairies and didn’t have Lovecraftian horrors or ancient alien conspiracies. OMG I hate guys who do that because it’s clearly bad faith and they have zero self-awareness. At least when I criticize VtR for being too focused on literal bloodsucking it’s because I genuinely think many of the bloodlines would work better conceptually if they could have different diets like emotions or luck or whatever seems appropriate. The newer younger fans who joined with V5 don’t harp on about how much they hate VtR because they’re completely unfamiliar with it, but when I ask they robotically repeat that asinine and wrong party line about how VtR is inferior because it doesn’t have lore and lore makes everything better. VtR has over a decade’s worth of annoying lore baggage (same as VtM, since they ran out of ideas after the first edition and just keep repackaging the same things over and over) and you would know that if you actually read the fucking books like I did you willfully ignorant shills. Also, I think lore can fuck off and die in a fire. I have lost count of all the franchises that have turned to shit because of “lore”. Meanwhile, they never themselves talk about the lore from what I’ve seen and just like to talk about their generic Lestat OCs. Literally, they play Lestat. They can’t think of anything even remotely creative outside of their tiny well trod comfort zones. It’s so boring and mind-numbing. I’ve tried writing interesting stuff about aztec snakepires pining for the good old days of mass human sacrifice, sethian demon hunters fighting apophian cultists, krüger assassins selling their services to kill people in dreams, etc and these zoomers (because they’re mostly zoomers, go figure) don’t pay any attention whatsoever.

Rant over!

I’ve gotten so frustrated with this stupid small-minded ttrpg community that I decided to make a crpg instead. While the video game format is much more limiting and I have to juggle the competing creative visions of my co-writers, it gets way more attention and engagement than any ttrpg homebrew I could ever try.

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« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2022, 03:32:58 PM »
Toxicity is inescapable with any fandom, some more than others.

Incoming rant alert!

I have generally terrible experiences whenever I touch the WW fandom. Not surprisingly, considering these are the same people who sent Jess Henig hundreds of death threats because he oversaw metaplot developments in Mage 3e. I got into it around the time Vampire: The Requiem was introduced and jfc were the older fans super butthurt about it. They’re still butthurt now and will rip you a new asshole if you say anything positive about VtR. Or V5, which they also hate because it’s too much like VtR or whatever asinine justification I don’t care. Don’t get me wrong, I have my own criticisms of these games but I don’t irrationally hate them for being different from their predecessors. I once chatted with a guy who invented reasons to hate Changeling: The Lost because it was too focused on fairies and didn’t have Lovecraftian horrors or ancient alien conspiracies. OMG I hate guys who do that because it’s clearly bad faith and they have zero self-awareness. At least when I criticize VtR for being too focused on literal bloodsucking it’s because I genuinely think many of the bloodlines would work better conceptually if they could have different diets like emotions or luck or whatever seems appropriate. The newer younger fans who joined with V5 don’t harp on about how much they hate VtR because they’re completely unfamiliar with it, but when I ask they robotically repeat that asinine and wrong party line about how VtR is inferior because it doesn’t have lore and lore makes everything better. VtR has over a decade’s worth of annoying lore baggage (same as VtM, since they ran out of ideas after the first edition and just keep repackaging the same things over and over) and you would know that if you actually read the fucking books like I did you willfully ignorant shills. Also, I think lore can fuck off and die in a fire. I have lost count of all the franchises that have turned to shit because of “lore”. Meanwhile, they never themselves talk about the lore from what I’ve seen and just like to talk about their generic Lestat OCs. Literally, they play Lestat. They can’t think of anything even remotely creative outside of their tiny well trod comfort zones. It’s so boring and mind-numbing. I’ve tried writing interesting stuff about aztec snakepires pining for the good old days of mass human sacrifice, sethian demon hunters fighting apophian cultists, krüger assassins selling their services to kill people in dreams, etc and these zoomers (because they’re mostly zoomers, go figure) don’t pay any attention whatsoever.

Rant over!

I’ve gotten so frustrated with this stupid small-minded ttrpg community that I decided to make a crpg instead. While the video game format is much more limiting and I have to juggle the competing creative visions of my co-writers, it gets way more attention and engagement than any ttrpg homebrew I could ever try.

Good for you dude! Hope the crpg brings you more joy :-)


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« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2022, 04:26:38 PM »
Toxicity is inescapable with any fandom, some more than others.

Incoming rant alert!

I have generally terrible experiences whenever I touch the WW fandom. Not surprisingly, considering these are the same people who sent Jess Henig hundreds of death threats because he oversaw metaplot developments in Mage 3e. I got into it around the time Vampire: The Requiem was introduced and jfc were the older fans super butthurt about it. They’re still butthurt now and will rip you a new asshole if you say anything positive about VtR. Or V5, which they also hate because it’s too much like VtR or whatever asinine justification I don’t care. Don’t get me wrong, I have my own criticisms of these games but I don’t irrationally hate them for being different from their predecessors. I once chatted with a guy who invented reasons to hate Changeling: The Lost because it was too focused on fairies and didn’t have Lovecraftian horrors or ancient alien conspiracies. OMG I hate guys who do that because it’s clearly bad faith and they have zero self-awareness. At least when I criticize VtR for being too focused on literal bloodsucking it’s because I genuinely think many of the bloodlines would work better conceptually if they could have different diets like emotions or luck or whatever seems appropriate. The newer younger fans who joined with V5 don’t harp on about how much they hate VtR because they’re completely unfamiliar with it, but when I ask they robotically repeat that asinine and wrong party line about how VtR is inferior because it doesn’t have lore and lore makes everything better. VtR has over a decade’s worth of annoying lore baggage (same as VtM, since they ran out of ideas after the first edition and just keep repackaging the same things over and over) and you would know that if you actually read the fucking books like I did you willfully ignorant shills. Also, I think lore can fuck off and die in a fire. I have lost count of all the franchises that have turned to shit because of “lore”. Meanwhile, they never themselves talk about the lore from what I’ve seen and just like to talk about their generic Lestat OCs. Literally, they play Lestat. They can’t think of anything even remotely creative outside of their tiny well trod comfort zones. It’s so boring and mind-numbing. I’ve tried writing interesting stuff about aztec snakepires pining for the good old days of mass human sacrifice, sethian demon hunters fighting apophian cultists, krüger assassins selling their services to kill people in dreams, etc and these zoomers (because they’re mostly zoomers, go figure) don’t pay any attention whatsoever.

Rant over!

I’ve gotten so frustrated with this stupid small-minded ttrpg community that I decided to make a crpg instead. While the video game format is much more limiting and I have to juggle the competing creative visions of my co-writers, it gets way more attention and engagement than any ttrpg homebrew I could ever try.

Good for you dude! Hope the crpg brings you more joy :-)
Thanks! Hope you have good luck too

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« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2022, 05:04:14 PM »
Anyone had bad experiences?

I joined the Mörk Borg Discord, unknowing of the fact it's infested with woke boys/girls/airplanes. I voice my opinion and get banned ...  <snip>

Everywhere is like that now.  It's exceptionally demotivating.

I took a break from the hobby for about a decade because RL.  I come back and discover that the inmates are running the asylum.

If I didn't already have a million things requiring my attention, I'd start some kind of ttrpg podcast, just to try to push back with an alternate perspective.

Not long ago, I got banned from a discord for simply stating that I thought that maybe we ought to leave our RL politics at the door when we come to the table, and try to enjoy our imaginary fantasy worlds together as friends, without all the divisive crap.  But I guess "silence is violence" or whatever-the-fk nowadays, and anyone who isn't a raving woke idiot is adjacent to Uncle Adolf.  Kek.

Dragonsfoot and RPGpub seem to still be mostly ok.  They're not explicitly UNwoke, but they're not infested with crazies either.  This place is alright, but (no offense guys) I feel like the ratio of political talk to actual gaming talk skews too far into the political.  I'm guilty of that too I am sure, but just saying.

That being said, I do think it is important to participate in places like Dragonsfoot and RPGpub, so as to gently push back against that kind of crap so that those places remain neutral and don't get taken over by wokists.  Whether by design or circumstance, the wokist agenda with online communities appears to be to find neutral places, infiltrate their moderation team, and start purging people who are not woke.  This must be prevented.

What's happening with this world? Why are these people so toxic and "violent"?

When my tinfoil hat is especially tight, I toy with the idea of it being part of a grand Maoist plan to destroy western culture.  That may be a little extreme.  It violates Occam's Razor, after all.

I think it's more likely that it's a self-promoting mass hysteria, much like the Satanic Panic of the 80s.  It is most certainly taken advantage of by various political entities in the authoritarian left to further their own agenda, but I don't think it's a tool entirely invented and controlled by the authoritarian left.

I think that, like the Satanic Panic, it's a "fad of the idiocracy" (tell me again why we have a universal franchise?), and that it will eventually pass into history and we'll look back and laugh at it.  Which isn't to say that we shouldn't fight it tooth and nail in the present, because it is a stupid, evil ideology that destroys everything that it infests.  Just that we can most certainly defeat it if we push back instead of ignoring it in the interest of "tolerance".  Perhaps it's an over-dramatic metaphor, but you ignore the wolves prowling the edge of your pastures at your own peril.
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« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2022, 07:24:17 PM »
Well before Discord they were working on the old text MMOs and e-groups like Yahhell before it completely erased every group. BGG and The-other-place, were spearheading the movement.

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