Quote from: Roger the GS;582240... though I am getting a case of the "Who needs another megadungeon"s lately ...

There are not that many modern examples of the things. Darkness Beneath, Stonehell, Mad Archmage.

ASE needs more levels and Bowman needs to resurface.

I'm a backer. I'm not really surprised at the delay. I assume James will finish the project eventually. He has a track record, at least.

Also, Autarch and James did send an email to all backers about the delay and apologized for it.

Oh my god...

A small press publisher has missed a deadline...

THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE!

also:

Nerd is butturt that the world doesn't revolve around them, film at 11.

also:

A kickstarter is not a pre-order, don't treat it like one.

I'm in for $65.00

As long as the project gets done I'm not worried about delays. I don't put up money I need to live on for a kickstarter.

If the project never happens then I will expect a refund because that would be the worst possible case of bad faith.

In the meantime, if it takes a while then so be it.

Quote from: Piestrio;582324A kickstarter is not a pre-order, don't treat it like one.

I agree. Oddly though, accordingly to KS rules, if you say you are going to deliver rewards on a certain date then you are obliged to do so. So yeah, its not a preorder, but the involvement of an external party may actually make it a more strict obligation to be met in practice.

I'm in for $10 for the pdf, and frankly I could care less about this.  I was basically giving James cash (and he did both greyhawkgrognard and myth & magic a solid, so reciprocity baby).  

But, it is a real issue because atm Tavis in up the creek with a broken paddle.  He is having to do a great deal of unpaid project management AND his company would be liable if something were to happen.  The fact that he is pushing to get the current material digitized is a firewall in case a shit rain were to fall.

Quote from: Benoist;582156Apparently Dwimmermount is way out of schedule, the PDFs and books have not materialized, so some people who have backed the kickstarter are getting really pissed now at James M.

:rotfl:


That's the campaign-dungeon his own players bailed on out of boredom, right?

Quote from: languagegeek;582279Big delays in production kill the internet-impulse-buy buzz.

You've summed up my feelings on the matter better than I could.

Quote from: jadrax;582207Its interesting that under the Kickstarter terms and conditions it seems you are not entitled to a refund as long as Kickstarter deems that the project is being undertaken in 'good faith'.

Yeah, that's too loosey-goosey for me.  (And is one of the reasons I haven't backed any Kickstarter projects, despite thinking the crowd-funding concept is a good thing.)

I imagine my approach to a "I'm feeling burned" Kickstarter would be to send a polite email to the producers telling them I understand the unfortunate delays (or whatever), and sympathize, but that I'd like for my money to be refunded, and I'm sure they understand my position and view on the situation.

While such a project might not be legally required to refund my money under that mile-wide "good faith" loophole, I imagine that approach would have a better chance of success.  Besides, you can always complain and raise hell if being nice fails.

(Not talking about Dwimmermount, specifically -- just Kickstarter projects and tardiness or other forms of dissatisfaction, in general.)

Delays are always frustrating, usually for all parties involved, I speak from experience.

That said, it'd be worse if there are preorders or payments already made or the like.

RPGPundit

I'm no fan of James M and I think everybody needs to chillax.

Real life happens and causes delays. Be patient.

But hot damn, Runs with Scissors is perfect for this forum. That's nigh-eloquent assholioism.

Quote from: Fiasco;582253I feel sorry for Tavis who has had to wear all the shit while JM makes multiple blog updates.

Tavis is a good guy and doesn't deserve this shit.

The enthusiasm for Dwimmermount puzzles me. I've read JM's blog; it's vacuous. What opinions he does have are so often couched in qualifiers and trepidation, I can't imagine anything mildly interesting about his dungeon.

Lately, he's reduced to listing the contents of Ares magazine. Talk about shitting out filler. I suppose he has nothing better to do.

Quote from: Jacob Marley;582245I am in for $60.00.

What I mean: have you actually paid the money yet or can you back out at this point? If, say, you're an irate nerd!

Quote from: Ghost Whistler;582391What I mean: have you actually paid the money yet or can you back out at this point? If, say, you're an irate nerd!

Kickstarter takes the money at the end of the pledge drive, so yes, all the backers are out of pocket and the money is now all resting in James M's account.

Then i would agree that kickstarters should come to the table with at least a manuscript/draft complete.