Well, are they?

Or are some people just trying to find reasons to be outraged instead of taking fiction at face value...

Mostly the second.  But there is also that some folks have become so sensitive that they will find offense in just about anything.

Sometimes a savage is just a savage.

If orcs become "problematic" how long before fighting of any kind in RPGs becomes "problematic"?

Of COURSE they are. I mean, you know, "Orc's burden" and all that...

(This is really, really, really a "who cares" topic [though I am still pissed that an Orc got the scholarship I wanted).:-)

Its a thread over at the insane asylum. What do you think?

No, they are not and fuck every single person that keep touting that garbage with a rusty whaling hook.

Quote from: OmegaIts a thread over at the insane asylum. What do you think?

You know this (mostly useless) emoticon we have here:

:enworld:

We need something a bit like that to serve our constant need to dismiss TBP issues.

Quote from: Shipyard Locked;839238You know this (mostly useless) emoticon we have here:

:enworld:

We need something a bit like that to serve our constant need to dismiss TBP issues.

Fuck off gets the point across rather succinctly.

I think the question is crap, because it implies a binary of:

1) No one could ever possibly use non-human races to express a racist allegory.

or

2) Every fantasy race is explicit white supremacy.


That's not how it works. Some fantasy expresses subtle or not-so-subtle racist ideas. Some great authors - like H.P. Lovecraft, R.E. Howard, and E.R. Burroughs - had blatantly racist views in the real world, and in some cases, they expressed these views in their fantasy.

In a lot of cases, it's hard to avoid having fantasy races coming across as allegories for people. I've several times run into the awkward "room full of orc women and children" situation, for example. Alternately, I played an orcish merchant in a recent GURPS Fantasy campaign, and he was proud of his family and heritage. When these things come up, it reminds people of real-world race - and people can sometimes show their views.

Quote from: Omega;839235Its a thread over at the insane asylum. What do you think?

To be fair there are a fair number of folks posting in that thread calling 'bullshit' on the suggestion that the depiction in question is anything but "some sort of objection looking for a problem."

What do people no longer actually read Tolkien?

The Moria Orcs hate the Uruk Hai from Isengard, the Isengarders hate the Morder Orcs, the Morder Orcs hate the Minis Ithil Orcs, and everybody hates the little Snaga Orcs. The Orcs in the Lord of the Rings are all a butch of fucking racists.

Or were you maybe talking about some other kinds of Orcs?

Quote from: Bren;839244What do people no longer actually read Tolkien?

The Moria Orcs hate the Uruk Hai from Isengard, the Isengarders hate the Morder Orcs, the Morder Orcs hate the Minis Ithil Orcs, and everybody hates the little Snaga Orcs. The Orcs in the Lord of the Rings are all a butch of fucking racists.

Or were you maybe talking about some other kinds of Orcs?

Since when was tribalism racist?

Orcs practice a form of meritocracy.  It's not about how you look or status or education, you're either tougher or weaker and that's the only metric that matters.  If you're tougher you're the boss for now.  If you're weaker you're either a slave or lunch.

Quote from: Shipyard Locked;839238You know this (mostly useless) emoticon we have here:

:enworld:

We need something a bit like that to serve our constant need to dismiss TBP issues.

Having run into one of the admin from over there on a chat. Insane asylum might be too mild a term. I wish I were joking.

I'm so tired and bored of this sort of crap...I wish all the navel-gazing SJWs would crawl back into their holes and go back to sleep.  THey aren't helping anyone or solving any problems...