Quote from: CRKrueger;1029656A day spent writing how to summon angels via the Key of Solomon for DA/L&D would have been much more productive.

Cleaning a bathroom is more productive than arguing on Twitter.

Quote from: Krimson;1029671Cleaning a bathroom is more productive than arguing on Twitter.

A nice juicy fart is more productive than arguing on Twitter.

* FRAAAAAPPPPPBBBFFFFTTT! *

....aaahhhhhhh

Quote from: Ulairi;1029642Nobody would say that somebody that likes to watch chess on YouTube but has no interest in playing it is a member of the 'chess community'.

I love watching Chess on YouTube, but I don't play.

QuoteOne night in Greyhawk and the world's your oyster...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgc_LRjlbTU

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1029735A nice juicy fart is more productive than arguing on Twitter.

* FRAAAAAPPPPPBBBFFFFTTT! *

....aaahhhhhhh

I think I would rank them about the same. Though as someone with an IBD, clearing gas from the bowels has the side effect of increasing work productivity.

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1029498And at that point, what do those of us who use "literally" correctly use instead?

A time machine?

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1029528A tempest in a pee pot.

LoL!

I'm not a fan of the discussion. It appears to be a deliberate effort to stoke a fight over semantics, to an end that I don't see the benefit of.

"Yes [Pundit], you were right, [we] were wrong. Now that you have won, please explain how this victory has improved the hobby?"

It's fantastic when new people are brought into the hobby, whatever the route, of which there are a huge amount, and an ever-increasing amount. TV, the upcoming movie, Facebook, MeetUp, Twitch, and doubtless more.

The more the merrier I say. Some will play, some will not. Some will get hooked, some will not.

My only duty to the hobby is to give everyone the best width of exposure and experience with that exposure that I can. If they end up playing D&D, or Pathfinder, or DitV, WtM, or L&D....or just watching YouTube videos of Actual Play....I'm fine with all of that.

A vibrant hobby benefits me, and I don't care what their level of involvement is.

I don't see how people engaging in the hobby by watching others play is at all wrong. Maybe folks love the idea of RPGs, but can't find a group nearby. Maybe they have social anxiety issues, and have trouble actually playing with others. Or maybe they think it's neat, but aren't so into it that they want to actually find a group. Maybe they -want- to play, but fear that the asshole gatekeepers of the hobby will hassle them for "doing it wrong", so they watch videos to learn how.

Who cares? Seriously, get over it. Different people like different things.

Quote from: Motorskills;1029844"Yes [Pundit], you were right, [we] were wrong. Now that you have won, please explain how this victory has improved the hobby?"

Maybe we should just all collectively agree that the Pundit has "won" at RPGs, and nobody's better than him, and he'll finally go away.

Quote from: Herne's Son;1029872Maybe we should just all collectively agree that the Pundit has "won" at RPGs, and nobody's better than him, and he'll finally go away.

  I doubt he'll go away until he gets to design D&D 6E, the world's first Double OSR game--Old School Renaissance, Overtly Satanic Religion.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1029633Really, so I guess you missed the parts where people were threatening to bombard all my products with negative ratings, or the guy who tried to doxx me and thought I was actually Dominique Crouzet.  Or, you know, the fact that I've been getting attack-mentions every few seconds for the last 16 hours.

Please post these in the thread. Many of us don't/won't have Twitter.

Also, if someone doxx's you REPORT THEM. That shit needs dickstomping.

If you don't, the doxxing scum become more emboldened.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1029634It spilled over everywhere. I've had literally thousands of notifications in the last 24 hours. Chris Perkins made a snarky remark. Mike Mearls made a milquetoast comment about inclusion.

Post these too!!

Quote from: Ulairi;1029636Why do you get so involved with this twitter nonsense? What do you gain from it?

He apparently has a great fun.

Pundy did a post about this last year. He doesn't enjoy video games so Twitter is his electronic game hobby.

I don't get it, but millions of people apparently love watching Twitch, eSports, D&D, etc and I don't get that either.

Quote from: waltshumate;1029657They reason why people like Adam Koebel  want to  jam door jammed wide open to anyone who self identifies as a gamer, is the same reason the left are so fond of mass illegal immigration.

We're gonna get gamers to do cheap labor? Extra votes for ENnies?

There is nothing nefarious about why they want a "D&D community" to mean anyone who's heard of the game. WotC clowns wants to claim big numbers to impress Hasbro (aka, keep their jobs in the inevitable annual purge). YouTubers want more views and porn fluffing their viewers results in more views. Not only are viewers D&D gamers, they're the very best gamers!!!

Quote from: Herne's Son;1029871I don't see how people engaging in the hobby by watching others play is at all wrong.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with it.

But words have meanings and "community" means something different than "customer" or "audience member".

I am a fan of 40k. I do not play the current edition, nor have I bought any of the new figs. I am a member of the Oldhammer community because I play out of print GW games like Necromunda, Mordheim, etc. I am a GM customer of their novels and a fan of some of their authors. These are distinctions.

Quote from: Herne's Son;1029871Maybe folks love the idea of RPGs, but can't find a group nearby.

There are plenty of resources available for them, including Skype gaming.

Quote from: Herne's Son;1029871Maybe they have social anxiety issues, and have trouble actually playing with others.

LOL. Those WERE many of the gamers in the 80s!!!

Also, fuck them. "Social anxiety" is a 21st century bullshit. In every other generation, shy people got on with their lives like everyone else and got laid with beer.

Quote from: Herne's Son;1029871Maybe they -want- to play, but fear that the asshole gatekeepers of the hobby will hassle them for "doing it wrong", so they watch videos to learn how.

Nothing can save them from the Gatekeepers!!!!

Muhahaha!

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1029873I doubt he'll go away until he gets to design D&D 6E, the world's first Double OSR game--Old School Renaissance, Overtly Satanic Religion.

Didn't Venger Satanis already write that one?
https://www.amazon.com/Liberation-Demon-Slayer-Venger-Satanis/dp/1492813230

Quote from: RPGPundit;1029623by that logic, so is the janitor who has no idea what RPGs are but mops the floor before the game starts.

You can thank people for their support without them actually being part of the RPG hobby.

It's so crazy dude; here I've been, gaming and enjoying the hobby for years. And all this time, it was up to your personal recognition of my "identity as a gamer" that I could be an actual part of the real hobby. Who knew you did me such violence?

Oh wait, no. There's not a fucking tower, anyone can call themselves a gamer for any reason and nobody cares.

Huh. It's almost like these people need constant recognition and reinforcement of their own identity or something.

Quote from: Motorskills;1029844I'm not a fan of the discussion. It appears to be a deliberate effort to stoke a fight over semantics, to an end that I don't see the benefit of.

"Yes [Pundit], you were right, [we] were wrong. Now that you have won, please explain how this victory has improved the hobby?"

It's fantastic when new people are brought into the hobby, whatever the route, of which there are a huge amount, and an ever-increasing amount. TV, the upcoming movie, Facebook, MeetUp, Twitch, and doubtless more.

Are they being brought into the hobby or they being invited in to be weaponized when needed, such as now. How many of those posting negative reviews are the people who never played an rpg in their lives and have been goaded into action by those holding the door open for them. Also they make money when the rulebook cuddlers subscribe to their streams.

I enjoy watching football, but I am not a football player just because I am sitting on my couch clutching my ball, while watching.

Quote from: waltshumate;1029997Are they being brought into the hobby or they being invited in to be weaponized when needed, such as now. How many of those posting negative reviews are the people who never played an rpg in their lives and have been goaded into action by those holding the door open for them. Also they make money when the rulebook cuddlers subscribe to their streams.

I enjoy watching football, but I am not a football player just because I am sitting on my couch clutching my ball, while watching.

You support the NFL/EPL by watching football, directly financially, and indirectly by gushing about it with your friends.

The same is true for people that watch live streams (etc).

No idea WTF this "weaponizing" stuff is about.

Pundit is once again throwing turdbombs for the fun of it, and unfortunately some folks out there are rising to his bait.

Quote from: Motorskills;1030071You support the NFL/EPL by watching football, directly financially, and indirectly by gushing about it with your frienait.

But I am not a football player and nor are those that only watch streams and do not play gamers.  Which  bit of that idea do you inclusion fascists have a comprehesion problem with?

By your logic those who cannot drive and never want to learn how to drive but sit in taxis or ride the bus can call be called drivers.

I think I will go watch a couple of episodes of The Great British Bake Off, then I will be a baker, yippee.

Watching football doesn't make you a football player,
watching RPGs doesn't make you a gamer.

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