I for one am curious about the system, why don't you create a thread explaining it?

I mean imagine you're teaching it so someone can GM/Play the thing.

By "the system" I mean SW Pathfinder and how you've modified it to get the results you're getting.

Me....A modded (300+ page behemoth) version of it. Message me for PDFs if your interested.

Im using it to run a the Adventure 'Zietgiest' made for 4e, PF, and 5e, and importing some 4e elements so it would run better (like item rarities and rituals).
Pretty cool so far. I have implimented all of Cyrils supplements & some other ones.

What I liked was that players can still feel cool without feeling like they can do everything. My PCs actually purchased some potions for once and used the favor system to assist them because before in regular PF they could just do everything themselves and buckets of resources meant that healing was trivial.

Edit: I would say the system needs a somewhat experienced GM. Bennies are your PCs HP effectively (more like second chances) and your in control of handing them out (beyond a baseline). In that sense you very directly control your PCs longevity.

I for one am curious about the system, why don't you create a thread explaining it?

I mean imagine you're teaching it so someone can GM/Play the thing.

By "the system" I mean SW Pathfinder and how you've modified it to get the results you're getting.

I'll explain it here since I'm not sure how popular Savage Worlds is around these parts...

Like Shrieking, I'm trying to get the Pathfinder context-specific stuff out and the stuff I want in doing the least amount of work possible. That said my documents are already getting into the 100-page mark... so heh. In my defense a lot of it is new content specific for my Greybox take which is 1e with 2e elements.

So for example...

The Savage Pathfinder Cleric takes its queues directly from from Pathfinder 1e Core. Clerics there are pretty generic and they're healbots, lets face it. I *never* liked that in D&D and I like it even less in Pathfinder where they went ALL-IN on the idea. To me Clerics should be representatives of their Deities and should reflect that in their abilities. 'Faiths and Pantheons' is one of the best books ever written for D&D in any edition. It remains the standard for me in how Clerics should be written up. So that means converting all the deities from the Greybox to Savage Pathfinder, and retooling the Domains to match. It also means reworking the Cleric Class Edge to better reflect these changes.

Savage Worlds Cleric Rework

So now, not all Clerics can even Heal. Only those whose Gods have it in their purview. I've listed the general creeds and dogmas of their respective deities so players can play confidently on how they want to express their characters without trying to pigeonhole themselves into their alignment ideas. Yes Alignment exists, but the dogmas are more important. I'll be adding more deities later - like all the non-human ones. The Realms have a LOT of Gods and Pantheons...

New/Different Races
I've also retooled the races. Savage Pathfinder goes with a 4-point score for their Pathfinder races, which is good. However their versions of the standard D&D races are specific to Pathfinder's Golarion setting. I was aiming for Greybox Realms - with a few tweaks tossed in to nod towards directions I'm going later - Spelljammer (so Sun Elf stats are also Imperial Elf stats).

Savage Realms Races

I'm working on Martial Arts system pulling inspiration from Oriental Adventures, as well as fighting styles from 7th Sea leveraging the Savage Worlds Pirates of the Spanish Main fencing school systems. It's still a work in progress (as is everything).

New Classes
I'm also working on new Class Edges - Currently working on the Cavalier from 1e D&D, with elements from the Pathfinder game I liked. It's still rough, and I'm testing it out. I'm on tap to make more Orders for it. I really wanted to fix the Cavalier from being so optimal at being mounted, which 1e Cavaliers had going for them. I think I landed on a good balance so Cavalier players are dangerous mounted or on foot. This is largely due to the Savage Worlds system being flexible.

Savage Cavalier

I plan on making some Class Edges from Oriental Adventure as well - the Sohei, the Samurai, and the Kensei Prestige Edge. The Samurai will be built similar but different in emphasis to the Cavalier. The Sohei will be a "Mystic" similar to the Ranger or Paladin in Savage Pathfinder, but with a different emphasis to create distinction between it and the Monk. The Kensei is still under a lot of consideration from me... Some OA classes will not need creating as the Savage Pathfinder classes already cover them - Ninja are Assassins, etc.

Likewise I'll be doing a pass over the Al-Qadim classes. Pretty sure the Sha'ir will get its own Class Edge. The others, we'll see.

Setting Rules -

I modified the Heavy* spellcasting modifier to be a Legendary quality, *because* I use the Heavy modifier rules as the Savage Rifts rule. This effectively lets me scale Pathfinder straight into Rift's level of power at Legendary (slightly earlier for some classes).

I also play that without the 4-wound limit. This is a modern D&Dism which I don't like, where it's exceedingly difficult to die. Dead is dead. Between the established rules and Bennies, PC's should have these things factored in before going into combat.

Savage Pathfinder does a good job of getting back to the meat-and-potatoes style play I like: Casters are powerful, but *really* frail. Warriors are super-dangerous in combat. But because of the system, it allows you to dial it out/in to get as granular as you like without missing a beat.

I personally don't like mages being like 7 distinct classes. I just collapsed Bard, Cleric, Druid, Sorcerer & wizard into 1 customizable class called 'mage'.

If they had anything super unique, I made that into edges they could take as part of that class.

Well the beauty of SWADE is you can simply let any PC ad-hoc it without a Class at all. It's been interesting trying to get my D&D players to wrap their heads around that fact. A Cleric/Druid/Sorcerer/Bard could be replicated with specific Edge choices without necessarily being a "class".

All those old debates about "What is a Paladin?" - is it's a militant Cleric? Is it a Holy Fighter? blah blah blah - starts to evaporate when you realize in Savage Worlds, you can pick your skills, and "special abilities" and call yourself whatever the fuck you want and whoop ass exactly as you like to do it.

What is the functional difference between a Cleric with high Fighting and a Warrior with Arcane Background: Divine Magic that picks up the Champion Edge - and both join a group and call themselves Paladins? Then you have someone with a Paladin Class Edge fighting right next to them - all doing it differently yet very similar in theme only.

yeah that's what I love about it - you can skin that cat all day long.

After reading up on Savage worlds and listening to Brother tenbones preach the word of Savage.   I am a new convert to all things Savage!  Your sermon was just the thing I needed to finally kick the PF2e to the curb and my next campaign will be set in Savage Worlds Pathfinder (minus the kitchen sink setting!).

Thanks again Brother tenbones for saving me!



No really I did get the SWPF (late backer) so I got the PDF's and printed out everything but the setting

Are you offering to share the pdf? Or am I reading it wrong?

Yup. With a message.