Quote from: Voros;972759Sorry were you the asshole quoting Hemingway out of context earlier?

Y'know, I let this shit slide the first time because it's you and who the fuck cares, but if you're going to trot this same tired shit out twice, (1) Hemingway said every writer should have a shit-detector and mine is dialed up on acuity and concision and (2) Hemingway is renowned for his terse, minimalist writing style usually attributed to his early training as a journalist, so go fuck yourself, you pretentious shitbird.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;973431...pretentious shitbird.

Isn't that what Dr. No was using for his cover on Crab Key? If only he hadn't messed with those roseated spoonbills...

Quote from: Kiero;973233Alfred Duggan wrote a similar style of novel, Elephants and Castles, but featuring Poliorketes as the main character. He's not exactly the hero, things seem to happen to him. He drinks himself to death in captivity, which seems a very PC way to go out.

He's also the villain (though of course he doesn't see himself that way) in the second main arc of Christian Cameron's Tyrant series. He's on the other side of a rough alliance of kings and states opposing the Antigonid dream of restoring Alexander's empire (under their banner).

Good villains never see themselves as villains!  

Quote from: flyingmice;973552Good villains never see themselves as villains!  

He is quite clearly insane in that portrayal, he thinks he's the hero of a grand saga which will end with him ruling the world. Other men are simply not great enough to oppose him or match his deeds.

Quote from: Kiero;973635He is quite clearly insane in that portrayal, he thinks he's the hero of a grand saga which will end with him ruling the world. Other men are simply not great enough to oppose him or match his deeds.

So, like most drivers, then?

Quote from: Kiero;973635He is quite clearly insane in that portrayal, he thinks he's the hero of a grand saga which will end with him ruling the world. Other men are simply not great enough to oppose him or match his deeds.

Wait, I lost track, are you referring to RPGPundit or Poliorketes?

Quote from: cranebump;972437I'm curious-- how many other rpgs were attempts at an accurate 15th century England? Because if yours is the only one...

Fine. I'll up the ante.  Dark Albion is both the best OSR setting book ever written, and the most historically-authentic OSR medieval sourcebook ever written. And those two facts are not disconnected from each other. It is Albion's attention to historical detail that helps make it awesome.  If it was otherwise dull (though that would be very hard given the historical source material being worked with), it would obviously not be great, but if it was full of fantasy hipsterism but zero  historicity it would be just another one of dozens of equally dullish fantasy worlds.

QuoteAre you're trying to say your frogmen are more fun thanks to the "careful historical research?" Because that just sounds...well, I dunno what that sounds like.

Thanks for making RPGs great again, though.:-/

No, I'm saying that a setting that has medieval-authenticity thanks to careful historical research, and frogmen; is superior to a game that has frogmen and a bunch of 2nd-rate fantasy tropes pulled out of the author's ass with zero attention to history. ESPECIALLY if they then pretend that their game is "historical".

Dark Albion is really good and useful. It's even educational as there are a lot of facts and figures in there I wasn't aware of.  I just hope subsequent printings fix the typos and occasional bad grammar. The frogmen don't bother me; I just ignore them and substitute the French. They're not that different anyway.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;973431Y'know, I let this shit slide the first time because it's you and who the fuck cares, but if you're going to trot this same tired shit out twice, (1) Hemingway said every writer should have a shit-detector and mine is dialed up on acuity and concision and (2) Hemingway is renowned for his terse, minimalist writing style usually attributed to his early training as a journalist, so go fuck yourself, you pretentious shitbird.

A typical childish outburst after being exposed as the truly pretentious bullshitter you really are BV. First, my comment about the surrealists is what we adults call a joke, based on the resemblance between the previous sentence's nonsense and surrealist nonsense. Maybe not that funny a joke but of course as usual you missed any intended humour because you are such a self-important prick.

But I've met macho assholes like you name dropping Hemingway without a fucking clue my whole life. Wow, you know that Hemingway worked as a journalist, how impressive!

Fact remains you tried to use his quote and his authority as a great writer (otherwise why even mention him?) to claim that being concise was the end-all and be-all of good writing instead of a style that Hemingway used for his own writing but was far from a prescription for all the writers he admired and had as peers.

The 'pretentious shitbird' is the one who brings up Hemingway when discussing style in rulesbooks for RPGs and then misrepresents what he was saying: i.e. you.

So... about those western campaigns....

Quote from: Willmark;975012So... about those western campaigns....

Hahah yeah. Anyone played Dust Devils? Apparently a hated 'storygame' but I've read it nails elements of the film version of the West.

I'm wondering what system would best fit a SW approach or a 70s 'revisionist' style. Both very different but 'Westerns.' There are a lot of different kinds of 'revisionist' Westerns, from Ford's The Searchers to Ulzana's Raid. The gunfight at the end of McCabe and Ms. Miller is the opposite of Good, Bad and the Ugly.

Quote from: Voros;975055Hahah yeah. Anyone played Dust Devils? Apparently a hated 'storygame' but I've read it nails elements of the film version of the West.

I'm wondering what system would best fit a SW approach or a 70s 'revisionist' style. Both very different but 'Westerns.' There are a lot of different kinds of 'revisionist' Westerns, from Ford's The Searchers to Ulzana's Raid. The gunfight at the end of McCabe and Ms. Miller is the opposite of Good, Bad and the Ugly.

Haven't heard of Dust Devils until now. But I'm always keen to hear about Western RPGs.

From the sounds of it Dust Devils is actually a storygame, not an RPG appended with that title as an insult. The poker mechanic sounds fun and appropriate.

Eh, I can't say I know what a storygame is, really. I have the Prince Valiant game and it basically seems to be an RPG as far as I can tell.