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Anybody backing the "Strongholds & Streaming" book? I'm still undecided.

Started by happyhermit, February 26, 2018, 10:47:26 PM

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mAcular Chaotic

#30
March 01, 2018, 11:55:22 AM
Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;1027512Matt isn't a role-player. He is a facilitator of Mother, May I? guessing games is all.

What? He's known for playing more old school style than any other D&D personality and for popularizing a lot of it.
Battle doesn\'t need a purpose; the battle is its own purpose. You don\'t ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don\'t ask why I fight.

Ras Algethi

#31
March 01, 2018, 12:18:17 PM
Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;1027512Matt isn't a role-player. He is a facilitator of Mother, May I? guessing games is all.

What do you mean by that?

happyhermit

#32
March 01, 2018, 12:50:23 PM
Quote from: mAcular Chaotic;1027534What? He's known for playing more old school style than any other D&D personality and for popularizing a lot of it.

Well, I'm not sure here but I have seen that sleight used by proponents of "new school" games ie; indie games, against "traditional" games like D&D where the GM has the final say.

S'mon

#33
March 01, 2018, 01:00:25 PM
Quote from: happyhermit;1027521Really? Sweet, thanks for the info! I have seen my playstyle denigrated in almost exactly the same way by strangers on the internet, so I might have to watch some more of his videos at least.

He's one of the best Youtube advice-giving GMs IMO. He seems to run a decent game, unlike most of them - pretty sandboxy, not railroaded. He uses rules as tools not straitjacket, in the best Gygaxian tradition of "Mother May I Guesing Games" (which sounds like the kind of crap I used to see on rpgnet) - ie he appreciates the GM runs the game not the rulebook, and he's very open to player ideas. He will occasionally kill PCs though probably not as much as I do.

S'mon

#34
March 01, 2018, 01:02:07 PM
Quote from: happyhermit;1027543Well, I'm not sure here but I have seen that sleight used by proponents of "new school" games ie; indie games, against "traditional" games like D&D where the GM has the final say.

Yes, AFAICT "Mother May I" is a phrase used by rules-bound dickheads to denigrate people who play RPGs like God and Gygax intended, with the GM in charge of play and adjudicating what happens in response to PC actions.

Greentongue

#35
March 01, 2018, 01:45:45 PM
+1
The schism in play styles raises its ugly head.
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Dave 2

#36
March 01, 2018, 01:52:38 PM
Quote from: Motorskills;1027507Matt has made it very clear that he is not getting tangled up with stretch goals or add-ons.

Bundling three very different projects (book, office / streaming set-up, five(?) dragon minis) is an eyebrow raiser enough anyway.

The stickers, t-shirts, minis, office/streaming setup and additional book content literally are the definition of getting tangled up in add-ons and stretch goals.  In what possible sense has he made it clear he's not doing these things, when he's doing these exact things?

mAcular Chaotic

#37
March 01, 2018, 05:29:49 PM
Quote from: happyhermit;1027543Well, I'm not sure here but I have seen that sleight used by proponents of "new school" games ie; indie games, against "traditional" games like D&D where the GM has the final say.

He definitely has some political correctness to him, but as far as old school cred goes, he seems legit. He's always been a "D&D is my main game" kind of guy because that's where all the players are. Maybe not OSR level, but half of his videos are about introducing old school concepts like the West Marches, and Strongholds. That is why his book took off so much, because he spent so long telling everyone about the old days, like a grandpa regaling his children. And everyone wanted to join in because they liked listening to him and he did a good job selling the concepts.
Battle doesn\'t need a purpose; the battle is its own purpose. You don\'t ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don\'t ask why I fight.

Motorskills

#38
March 01, 2018, 06:14:49 PM
Quote from: Dave R;1027556The stickers, t-shirts, minis, office/streaming setup and additional book content literally are the definition of getting tangled up in add-ons and stretch goals.  In what possible sense has he made it clear he's not doing these things, when he's doing these exact things?

Fair.

The non-model gubbins aren't hard though, and were announced well in advance, so I don't really consider them add-ons (I'm probably blinkered by some of those miniature campaigns which have more Add-On models than core product). And the stretch goals were so low-hanging that I don't really consider them to have been a stretch in the first place.

The "pirate ship" stretch was a bit of fun on Matt's part for setting a new record, and that is text, the thing we know for sure he actually can do.

But philosophical differences aside, there's no doubt it is a weird KS.
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Armchair Gamer

#39
March 01, 2018, 06:21:37 PM
Quote from: S'mon;1027546Yes, AFAICT "Mother May I" is a phrase used by rules-bound dickheads to denigrate people who play RPGs like God and Gygax intended, with the GM in charge of play and adjudicating what happens in response to PC actions.

The term was originally used in RPG circles to describe character abilities whose usefulness depended on the DM's setting or scenario design, such as the ranger's favored enemy. Like so many terms, it's mutated over the past decade and a half.

Haffrung

#40
March 01, 2018, 06:27:19 PM
Quote from: mAcular Chaotic;1027592He definitely has some political correctness to him, but as far as old school cred goes, he seems legit. He's always been a "D&D is my main game" kind of guy because that's where all the players are. Maybe not OSR level, but half of his videos are about introducing old school concepts like the West Marches, and Strongholds.

Colville also says he doesn't believe in balance or use CRs, that it's okay to just make shit up, random encounters are great, and DMs shouldn't be trying to tell stories. Grognards should be happy that maybe the most influential person in the hobby today exposing D&D to new DMs is so old-school.
 

S'mon

#41
March 01, 2018, 07:06:11 PM
Quote from: Haffrung;1027601Colville also says he doesn't believe in balance or use CRs, that it's okay to just make shit up, random encounters are great, and DMs shouldn't be trying to tell stories. Grognards should be happy that maybe the most influential person in the hobby today exposing D&D to new DMs is so old-school.

Yeah I agree. There are a lot of terrible New School GMs out there on Youtube. It's great that the biggest name in Youtube GMs is ONE OF US*. :D

*OK he thinks Frazetta style S&S-T&A art is objectionable. Nobody's perfect. :)

mAcular Chaotic

#42
March 01, 2018, 07:49:10 PM
Quote from: Haffrung;1027601Colville also says he doesn't believe in balance or use CRs, that it's okay to just make shit up, random encounters are great, and DMs shouldn't be trying to tell stories. Grognards should be happy that maybe the most influential person in the hobby today exposing D&D to new DMs is so old-school.

He's also one of those "the world is what it is, it's your job to make your place in it" GMs instead of "the world is designed around the PCs."
Battle doesn\'t need a purpose; the battle is its own purpose. You don\'t ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don\'t ask why I fight.

Psikerlord

#43
March 01, 2018, 09:44:02 PM
Quote from: Haffrung;1027601Colville also says he doesn't believe in balance or use CRs, that it's okay to just make shit up, random encounters are great, and DMs shouldn't be trying to tell stories. Grognards should be happy that maybe the most influential person in the hobby today exposing D&D to new DMs is so old-school.

Yeah I like his videos a lot.
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#44
March 02, 2018, 01:25:11 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/mattcolville/comments/819dnx/story_mercer_vs_monster_killing_colville/dv1mhsz/

Here's Matt's response when someone asked him whether D&D is a storytelling game.
Battle doesn\'t need a purpose; the battle is its own purpose. You don\'t ask why a plague spreads or a field burns. Don\'t ask why I fight.
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