Any Hero System fans on the board?

[Christopher Brady]

And the character assassination continues...

I am not a Hero System hater. But what I do oppose is the faction of its fandom that believe they exclusively own said game system. And that nobody else from outside of their twisted little social circle has a right to voice opinions or give feedback on it.

I oppose those who believe they can deny my right to freedom of speech. That is all.

Normal rational disagreement I can deal with. But when people make it personal, don't think for a second that I will just sit back and blindly take it.

Dood, you are on a crusade against people who aren't against you.  Nexus is actually pretty chill, and isn't here to convert.

[crkrueger]

Uh guys...

Remember Kelley is the guy who thought Wildfire is criminally guilty of fraud for not releasing a supplement before a new edition of Cthulhutech.

He's also the one who didn't GM for THREE YEARS after being psychologically assaulted by a cop's PC backstory.

To say that he overreacts and nurses grudges to the Bizarro dimension level would be an Epic understatement.

[Darrin Kelley]

Dood, you are on a crusade against people who aren't against you.  Nexus is actually pretty chill, and isn't here to convert.

The only history you know is what happened here. Allow me to enlighten you.

Nexus is hardly an innocent. He's the perpetrator of over a decade of harassment from TBP and the Hero Forums. Constant trolling, constant baiting, constant belittling, constant transparent attempts to twist whatever statements I make for his own sick devices. It never ends with him.

I left TBP and started posting here in the belief I would at last be free of the constant barrage of abuse. Funny how that has worked out.

[Willie the Duck]

I'm outing propogandists. Straight up liars.

And it that isn't politically correct. Well too bad.

Praytell, what does political correctness have to do with anything mentioned on this thread?

[Darrin Kelley]

Uh guys...

More character assassination. Jumping from thread to thread to belittle and and be abusive.

That's called threadstalking, btw. Welcome to IGNORE.

[trechriron]

I'm outing propogandists. Straight up liars.

And it that isn't politically correct. Well too bad.

What are we lying about? You are on a mission to piss on HERO fans, and I'm just saying that the hyperbole is a tad high with you. You are super wound up. I'm fine with us debating our opinion of HERO! But you have made statements as fact that I disagree are fact. I have just the same right to disagree with those statements. Seriously, stop waving the victim flag. I would rather read your opinions and thoughts than listen to you freak out. Also, try to have a sense of humor. For fucks sake most of us are not taking ourselves THAT seriously.

[Tristram Evans]

You know, at this point assholism doesnt even phase me, but I'm still a bit nonplussed when I encounter actual crazy

[Matt]

Finally a thread on Champions that is interesting. Where do I get my popcorn? This stuff is a riot.

[Darrin Kelley]

You are on a mission to piss on HERO fans, and I'm just saying that the hyperbole is a tad high with you.

I'm on a mission to piss on SOME Hero fans. Not the vast majority.

I'm dedicated to taking the piss out of those who have an over-inflated sense of entitlement to the system. Exposing them for what they are. Exposing the garbage treatment they have done to others within the hobby. And definitely exposing the harm they do to the hobby and its image.

What's unfortunate is: The damage done has infected several major online forums to the point where people who have different views from that small niche with an entitlement complex have been outright persecuted and shut down for expressing them.

To me. That's a big deal. Something I am really serious about.

[Matt]

I'm on a mission to piss on SOME Hero fans. Not the vast majority.

Maybe just drop the whole mission to piss on anyone.

[Darrin Kelley]

Maybe just drop the whole mission to piss on anyone.

I've been fighting this fight for well over a decade. Giving up isn't an option.

The fact is: I think the hobby deserves better than to be dominated by toxic incestuous cliques. I know most of us had enough of that oppressive garbage going through grade and high school. None of us need it screwing up the hobbies we choose to pursue.

Somebody has to look at the bigger picture within the hobby and dare to speak out about it. It's the only viable road to changing it.

[Tristram Evans]

I've been fighting this fight for well over a decade. Giving up isn't an option.

what exactly is the win condition to this holy crusade and the likelihood of achieving it?

[Nexus]

Classic Darrin Kelly.

[noman]

What about the argument that with all the splat creep, something like Pathfinder (which I like) is that much more complicated than Hero because the drive for character optimization is that much greater, and the options for doing such are spread out over more books?

This is a good point.

Upthread, I was fairly critical of the time needed for both character creation and GM prep using HERO.  My primary concern here being time invested in game prep compared to other games.  But James makes the excellent point that if I were were to take up a game like Pathfinder, I'd be shifting through multiple sourcebooks, both as a player and a GM, in order to create the character(s) I like.  Even with Savage Worlds, which is far less complex and a system I know better than HERO, I'd be doing the same thing.  It can be annoying and time-consuming.

HERO, OTOH, has all that crap laid out for me in a single book (with the possible exception of books like Star Hero or Fantasy Hero), where all I need is right there.  This does reduce prep time, and I could see how a skilled GM would be able to move through it quickly.

Sure, I could still do it faster with Cypher System, despite having several sourcebooks to look up, but CS sales itself as fast GM prep, whereas HERO makes no such claim.

[Darrin Kelley]

what exactly is the win condition to this holy crusade and the likelihood of achieving it?

Making the hobby community more inclusive and diverse is the win condition. Nothing more, and nothing less.

Breaking down the hardcore elements is an important step in that. The hardcore fans are the ones most resistant to change. Who push for the hobby to be more closed off and exclusive. Instead of healthy and constantly growing.

We have seen the constant rise in popularity of RPG style games in video games over the last few decades. It's proof of a potentially larger audience for tabletop RPGs. One that should absolutely be appealed to.

The likelihood of achieving it? Pretty good. If we can get the hardcore elements and entrenched grognards out of the way.