Quote from: Aos;374111Please don't.

It's people like you wot cause unrest.

Quote from: Benoist;374096"All that is required for Evil to triumph is for a few good men to do nothing".

Precisely.

Quote from: Benoist;374096"All that is required for Evil to triumph is for a few good men to do nothing".

You didn't just quote Edmund Burke to justify your belligerence, you fucking raped his words of all meaning by equating a conversation about RPGs as one of the many frontlines between good and evil.

Go to hell, Benoist. You too, Stormbringer. Just go, you philosophical sodomites, and fuck Burke's corpse elsewhere.

Quote from: DeadUematsu;374204You didn't just quote Edmund Burke to justify your belligerence, you fucking raped his words of all meaning by equating a conversation about RPGs as one of the many frontlines between good and evil.

Go to hell, Benoist. You too, Stormbringer. Just go, you philosophical sodomites, and fuck Burke's corpse elsewhere.

Please.  You don't give a tinker's damn about philosophy.

Quote from: The Shaman;374120It's people like you wot cause unrest.

I'm here to help.

Goodness, there's some Jackalope-like profanity in this thread.

4e sucks. Nothing good can come of it.

Quote from: Sigmund;374036I agree that there is a small amount of personal perception involved, however I think you are exaggerating the degree.

Try it. Try to work out a definition of rules light, medium, and heavy that more than a handful of people will agree with, then go out and classify games in a manner than more than a handful of people with agree with. When you're done, you can come back and say it isn't about personal preference.

Me, I've been in this discussion a hundred times on various lists and boards. It always ends the same: dissolving because no one can agree on criteria and classifications.

Because what's rules light, medium, and heavy is just personal preference.

Seanchai

Quote from: Sigmund;374070And this brings us back to the present, wherein you try to say it's not actually Randall's preferences in skill systems and their lack that had started this whole tangent...

No, I said, "Except we're discussing what WotC editions added that weren't in TSR editions." I neither address nor care how the conversation came about.

Again, WotC added nothing that wasn't already there. You can claim that because the system was optional for a while that it wasn't there, but clearly it was.

And, again, check your books. The core 1e system has players and DMs making plenty of de facto skill checks.

Seanchai

Quote from: Seanchai;374258Because what's rules light, medium, and heavy is just personal preference.

Seanchai

But there are really only two people here that are disagreeing with it.  The rest of us are quite comfortable with the proffered categorizations.

What categorizations? Do you even have an valid opinion of what rules medium is or are you just assuming if people stupidly toss out the same combination of words without considering what they're actually saying enough times it forms an unspoken but valid consensus? The levels of retardation you exhibit never cease to amaze.

Quote from: DeadUematsu;374283What categorizations? Do you even have an valid opinion of what rules medium is or are you just assuming if people stupidly toss out the same combination of words without considering what they're actually saying enough times it forms an unspoken but valid consensus? The levels of retardation you exhibit never cease to amaze.

Shhhhh, sweetheart, the adults are talking.

Quote from: 1989;3742554e sucks. Nothing good can come of it.

Well, first edition, second edition, third edition and three point five and the sacred rules compendium edition all suck too and nothing good ever came of them.

Be that as it may I have to say, reading this thread, I love this place.

Quote from: Seanchai;374258Try it. Try to work out a definition of rules light, medium, and heavy that more than a handful of people will agree with, then go out and classify games in a manner than more than a handful of people with agree with. When you're done, you can come back and say it isn't about personal preference.

Me, I've been in this discussion a hundred times on various lists and boards. It always ends the same: dissolving because no one can agree on criteria and classifications.

Because what's rules light, medium, and heavy is just personal preference.

Seanchai

To you.

Quote from: Seanchai;374262No, I said, "Except we're discussing what WotC editions added that weren't in TSR editions." I neither address nor care how the conversation came about.

Again, WotC added nothing that wasn't already there. You can claim that because the system was optional for a while that it wasn't there, but clearly it was.

And, again, check your books. The core 1e system has players and DMs making plenty of de facto skill checks.

Seanchai

Nope, you're wrong, as I proved and pointed out. When you provide actual evidence to the contrary we can revisit it. Until then, you're just plain wrong on all counts. Again.