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When RPG task examples are lame

Started by Shawn Driscoll, July 08, 2013, 08:32:41 AM

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Exploderwizard

#15
July 10, 2013, 09:52:10 AM
Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;669678Their "digging a hole" example was to show off their Lifting skill the game has.  A Lifting skill?  Yes, for lifting a shovel full of dirt.  Is that a die roll per scoop?  Are we trying to make hole masterpieces?  Bottomless holes?  Have an army to bury soon?  Be able to dig a hole period?  Be able to lift shovels properly?

I'm beginning to suspect that the D6 mechanic is just an excuse for dice-happy players.

Perhaps the authors are huge fans of The Shoveller. They want to make sure such a character can be created in their system and that he will be able to shovel well. ;)
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Quote from: Kyle Aaron;766997In the randomness of the dice lies the seed for the great oak of creativity and fun. The great virtue of the dice is that they come without boxed text.

Shawn Driscoll

#16
July 10, 2013, 12:52:28 PM
I would expect my grave robber character to have a high digging skill.

James Gillen

#17
July 11, 2013, 12:57:18 AM
Quote from: Bloody Stupid Johnson;669691lame, eh?
This may be inadmissible because its from a fan-made product, but here's an extract of the Phoenix Command Amatorial Rules, which made me cringe anyway:


I'll spare you the Servicing rules.

I would have guessed it to be lame simply because it used the term "Amatorial."

JG
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Rincewind1

#18
July 11, 2013, 08:40:02 AM
Quote from: Bloody Stupid Johnson;669691lame, eh?
This may be inadmissible because its from a fan-made product, but here's an extract of the Phoenix Command Amatorial Rules, which made me cringe anyway:


I'll spare you the Servicing rules.

I rub my eyes, but the text doesn't disappear. Isn't this a game about military combat in general? Why would they start their examples with lame seduction attempt.
Furthermore, I consider that  This is Why We Don\'t Like You thread should be closed

Bloody Stupid Johnson

#19
July 11, 2013, 05:41:14 PM
Quote from: Rincewind1;669978I rub my eyes, but the text doesn't disappear. Isn't this a game about military combat in general? Why would they start their examples with lame seduction attempt.
Oh, to be fair, its from someone's home grown supplement not the main rules. Some people just need rules for getting it on with the NPCs and if they're not there, by god they'll make them. Its painfully awkward, but from what I remember for most part its still classier than the equivalent 2nd Edition D&D, 3rd Ed. D&D (the one written by Andy Collin's wife), or GURPS fan supplements.

James Gillen

#20
July 12, 2013, 02:09:31 AM
Quote from: Bloody Stupid Johnson;670111Oh, to be fair, its from someone's home grown supplement not the main rules. Some people just need rules for getting it on with the NPCs and if they're not there, by god they'll make them. Its painfully awkward, but from what I remember for most part its still classier than the equivalent 2nd Edition D&D, 3rd Ed. D&D (the one written by Andy Collin's wife), or GURPS fan supplements.

Or the seduction rules from the last World of Darkness corebook.

JG
-My own opinion is enough for me, and I claim the right to have it defended against any consensus, any majority, anywhere, any place, any time. And anyone who disagrees with this can pick a number, get in line and kiss my ass.
 -Christopher Hitchens
-Be very very careful with any argument that calls for hurting specific people right now in order to theoretically help abstract people later.
-Daztur

Bloody Stupid Johnson

#21
July 12, 2013, 02:33:47 AM
Quote from: James Gillen;670183Or the seduction rules from the last World of Darkness corebook.

JG
I haven't seen those...

James Gillen

#22
July 12, 2013, 02:50:11 AM
Quote from: Bloody Stupid Johnson;670187I haven't seen those...

They're a sure antidote for anybody who thinks HERO System is dry and involves too much math.

[WW55000, published 2004, p. 84]

jg
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-Be very very careful with any argument that calls for hurting specific people right now in order to theoretically help abstract people later.
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RPGPundit

#23
July 13, 2013, 03:34:22 AM
Bad enough that there are seduction rules.  Worse still if they're presented as mechanics on par with certified public accounting.
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#24
July 13, 2013, 08:48:51 AM
Incidentally, the recent rules update to the Storytelling System, in The God-Machine Chronicle, may have simplified things somewhat by introducing a general subsystem of "social maneuvering". The first step is also always for the GM to decide whether the goal of the action sounds reasonable, so there's no talking kings into handing over their thrones due to sheer natural charisma.
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Dirk Remmecke

#25
July 15, 2013, 01:25:34 AM
I really like when task examples are used to communicate the implied setting or play style.

Works better than fluff texts or short story intros. (For me, that is.)
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