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The Starfinder Beginner Box PC sheet has a space for character's Preferred Pronouns

Started by S'mon, May 09, 2019, 11:42:48 AM

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Shasarak

Quote from: Koltar;1087725Nope, a Big NOPE.

The game has the option to play Androids - who can dabble at being either 'gender'. Back in November I played a pre-generated character of one of those. Remember the TNG episode where Data cremated an offspring and he gave it the ability to choose its own gender?

- Ed C.

Data is fully functional and programmed in... multiple techniques.
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Omega

Quote from: Koltar;1087725Remember the TNG episode where Data cremated an offspring and he gave it the ability to choose its own gender?

- Ed C.

No I do not recall the episode where Data burned up a kid? :eek:

ahem...

To be fair RPG character sheets have had boxes for gender since nearly the start. Mainly because the players gender and the characters gender did not have to be the same. So was a good idea to note that down somewhere. Well that and there was that pesky girdle.

Shawn Driscoll

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1086949Mmm. Considering I play Starfinder Society, sounds like it's not a product I'd get much use out of.
I'd definitley consider it as a intro for a new group, though.

Yep. RPG collectors will buy it no matter what similar rules they've bought already for a game.

Shawn Driscoll

Quote from: CRKrueger;1087640The purpose of the preferred pronoun seems to be to force people to refer to you a certain way outside of your presence as a means of behavior modification to change societal norms, and really have nothing to do with simple respect.
Made up genders are for people to use who are already talking to others in 3rd person in rude society.

Just don't let democrats at your table is all. Problem solved.

Spinachcat

Quote from: Omega;1087732No I do not recall the episode where Data burned up a kid? :eek:

Nothing that cool ever happened on Bore Trek.

Toadmaster

Quote from: Omega;1087732No I do not recall the episode where Data burned up a kid? :eek:

ahem...

To be fair RPG character sheets have had boxes for gender since nearly the start. Mainly because the players gender and the characters gender did not have to be the same. So was a good idea to note that down somewhere. Well that and there was that pesky girdle.


I think we now see gender used so much because back when forms had a box for sex, people would write, "yes please", or "as often as possible" or similar. Oh, come on own up to it, you know you did at some point. :p

nDervish

Quote from: Toadmaster;1087753I think we now see gender used so much because back when forms had a box for sex, people would write, "yes please", or "as often as possible" or similar. Oh, come on own up to it, you know you did at some point. :p

I had a Star Frontiers character sheet back in the day with general personal information and movement rates (Daily/Hourly/Turn) side by side, and ordered such that it read "Sex: Hourly".  As a teenage boy, I derived endless amusement from that one.

Ratman_tf

Quote from: Toadmaster;1087753I think we now see gender used so much because back when forms had a box for sex, people would write, "yes please", or "as often as possible" or similar. Oh, come on own up to it, you know you did at some point. :p

There's been a shift from using gender instead of sex because anyone who lives on planet Earth can see that there's two sexes. Whereas there can be an infinity plus a zillion genders, since it's a subjective concept of personal identity.
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Ratman_tf

Quote from: Koltar;1087725Nope, a Big NOPE.

The game has the option to play Androids - who can dabble at being either 'gender'. Back in November I played a pre-generated character of one of those. Remember the TNG episode where Data cremated an offspring and he gave it the ability to choose its own gender?

- Ed C.

Androids in Starfinder are bizzare. I'm still not quite sure if they're cyborgs, replicants, technoranic robots or what.
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung

BoxCrayonTales

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1087799Androids in Starfinder are bizzare. I'm still not quite sure if they're cyborgs, replicants, technoranic robots or what.

Pathfinder, like most 3e content, has a problem with what I like to call "backwards world building." That is, rather than use the rules to support the setting, they bend over backwards to write the setting around the rules. And not even in a good way like Eberron having magitech, but in a stupid way like treating the arbitrary monster taxonomy as an inflexible law of physics.

Because of "game balance" or whatever, which doesn't actually exist in 3e due to poor design, the writers tried to create a variant of warforged that wasn't "unbalanced" by a laundry list of racial benefits and then wrote the fluff around the rules.

The Starfinder androids seem to be based on the early 20th century conception of "androids" being artificial human beings, rather than intelligent metal machines.


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I also hate the setting because it exemplifies the worst aspects of the backwards world building, in this case there being an arbitrary distinction between magic and nature. That is, reality operates according to how modern science says it does (or at least how Paizo misunderstands this) and then magic is crudely tacked on to let you cheat physics when convenient. There are constant references to ecology, evolution, and other modern scientific concepts (and the setting implicitly assumes that the medieval peasants composing most of the fantasy populace have a modern education in these subjects, as well as the absurd idea that any kind of ecology can support the bazillion highly destructive monsters in the bestiaries) as well as fictional concepts like outer planes, elemental planes, angels, demons, nigh-omnipotent gods, intelligent design, spontaneous generation and other stuff that clearly defies real physics. As a result, the world building taken as a whole is completely nonsensical and falls apart readily.

These complaints may be leveled at D&D I suppose due to its "fantasy kitchen sink" deal, but Pathfinder is particularly egregious about it. I don't know about Paizo, but I prefer world building that is holistic and consistent rather than haphazardly invented on the fly.

I'd be happy to discuss devising a more coherent cosmology if anyone is interested.

Mordred Pendragon

As a bisexual, I would like to apologize to my fellow roleplayers on behalf of the LGBT community.

Had we known our movement would eventually be hijacked by delusional crybully trannies who deny the very basic concepts of human biology, we would've never let the transgenders into our community.

We just didn't want to be criminalized because of what we did with other consenting adults in the privacy of our own homes.

It was not our goal to allow militant dangerhair lesbians and disgusting transgender sociopaths to take over the LGBT movement and become every bit as hateful and oppressive as the Christians, Jews, and Muslims who hated and oppressed us many decades earlier.

I guess Nietzche was right when he talked about those who fight monsters.

It's sad that in this day and age, the cult of moral authoritarians and religious zealots has gone from redneck Evangelicals (who usually had green eyes, Celtic surnames, and family trees that did not fork) and stuck-up Protestant Anglo-Saxon church ladies to a collection of Anarcho-Communist dangerhair sows, Neo-Bolshevik hipsters, tranny crybullies, anarchist punk rockers with no concept of personal hygiene, and the Silicon Valley technocrats who support them because they thought 1984, Brave New World, Fahrenheit 451, and Animal Farm were instruction manuals and are thankful that their Millennial SJW pawns don't read anything other than Harry Potter books and Marvel comics.

At least the radical Islamist goat-fuckers are still consistent in their moral guardianship and insane cult zealotry.

The Left used to be the supporters of free speech and free expression, now they're even bigger tyrants than the Christian Right they railed so hard against.

I used to be a left-winger back in the day and I still hold those same liberal principles of freedom that I held back then. The rest of the Left does not.

I didn't abandon the Left, the Left abandoned me and sold out.
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Koltar

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1087799Androids in Starfinder are bizzare. I'm still not quite sure if they're cyborgs, replicants, technoranic robots or what.

Well in the case of that game - it was fun to play one.
 I haven't been able to just 'play' in years - most of the time I am the GM running a game. If another play asked me what pronoun to use I might have said "Just use my name until we know each other better." I figured part of my characters back story was a small bag of partsand tools to 'change' things if romantic interest was shown.

- Ed C.
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