ACKS is now a forbidden topic in TBP

SHARK · October 29, 2018, 09:26:49 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze;1062235Earthdawn's windlings can give gnomes a run for their money, IMO, windlings are worse.

The D&D 5e Tabaxi are pretty obnoxious in the way they're described too.

Greetings!

Hi there, Happydaze! Can you expand upon your hate for the Tabaxi? Part of me has always been "Ok, cool" with Cat Humanoids--but I admit, the Tabaxi--as WOTC presents them--ehh, you know? They seem...I can't put my finger on it exactly. Upon reading them, my first reaction was "Geesus, another stupid race for snowflakes!" LOL.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

HappyDaze · October 29, 2018, 09:34:02 PM

Quote from: GeekEclectic;1062262I never saw anything particularly off about Windlings. They're said to be attracted to novelty and driven by curiosity, but that's about it, and it's not universal. So you're not really limited on personality types any more so than with any other race, so if there's a problem I'd say it's the player's fault tbh. And they've relaxed the racial restrictions on disciplines in later editions, so if you felt too limited there then . . . well, you could have ignored them anyway, or allowed an exception if there was a good justification; but if you like sticking to canon as much as possible you have more versatility there now, too.

Come on... The racial quote for windlings was WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

Dave 2 · October 29, 2018, 11:34:33 PM

Quote from: Omega;1062240Back on topic.

So has the outrage died down over there any? I assume that the usual loons moved on to fresher targets after a while.

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Quote from: SHARK;1062267Hi there, Happydaze! Can you expand upon your hate for the Tabaxi? Part of me has always been "Ok, cool" with Cat Humanoids--but I admit, the Tabaxi--as WOTC presents them--ehh, you know? They seem...I can't put my finger on it exactly. Upon reading them, my first reaction was "Geesus, another stupid race for snowflakes!" LOL.

Not Happydaze, but I have an opinion. I actually liked Tabaxi as first presented in the Fiend Folio: a Chaotic monster race that used primitive weapons, or even teeth and claws, no armor, and illustrated as something somewhat alien, not just a human in a fur suit. And of course, later editions went full on fur-suit.

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David Johansen · October 30, 2018, 12:17:16 AM

So, I suppose the only think left to do is stat Trump in ACKS right? Bonus points for making him a Gnome, Halfling, Kender, or Windling.

Abraxus · October 30, 2018, 12:21:56 AM

Seeing how much worse and worse rpg.net is becoming yet this place will be called out as being the worst and most repressive forum online. With the usual suspects remsining silent on the matter.

I actually feel the opposite I found and still find the Fiend Folio version goofy looking and prefer the one with the more monkish looking Tabaxi. To each his own I guess.

GeekEclectic · October 30, 2018, 12:43:38 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze;1062269Come on... The racial quote for windlings was WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

I always took that as tongue in cheek. Kind of like those dumb "impressions of other groups and supernatural creatures" boxes in World of Darkness games, but not really being serious about it.

GeekEclectic · October 30, 2018, 12:48:20 AM

Quote from: sureshot;1062281I actually feel the opposite I found and still find the Fiend Folio version goofy looking and prefer the one with the more monkish looking Tabaxi. To each his own I guess.

Yeah, it's a pretty neat picture. I grew up with Ninja Turtles and other similar media, so I appreciate the occasional anthropomorphic animal race when they're not being drawn to titillate and fulfill someone's fetish. It communicates power and agility and looks neat without being all sexualized(I'm sure there are some people who will still go there, but it's obviously not the artist's intent), so I have no complaints.

Christopher Brady · October 30, 2018, 01:29:36 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze;1062269Come on... The racial quote for windlings was WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

That doesn't mean they're destructive. I always took it as someone who enjoys his/her life.

GeekEclectic · October 30, 2018, 01:56:12 AM

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1062289That doesn't mean they're destructive. I always took it as someone who enjoys his/her life.

That, too. Plus there are the first-person perspective writings from Windling POVs(Earthdawn loves FP POV writing) and, y'know, the entire rest of their race's write-up to go on to show you that there was a lot more to Windlings than just "wheeeeee." It's like "oh, no, a race known for having(again as a general rule, not an absolute) a positive outlook on life; kill it with fire!"

Daztur · October 30, 2018, 03:47:18 AM

Quote from: jeff37923;1061165I think that is one of the reasons why we keep talking about TBP. A lot of us remember when it was a worthwhile place to discuss gaming.

Haven't read it regularly but it used to be far and away the best place for creative brainstorming. Stuff like "I need a solar diety for my setting who isn't boring" and rpg.net would give you way way better answers than anywhere else on the internet.

But was always pretty crazy, even in the old days.

HappyDaze · October 30, 2018, 03:58:33 AM

Quote from: SHARK;1062267Greetings!

Hi there, Happydaze! Can you expand upon your hate for the Tabaxi? Part of me has always been "Ok, cool" with Cat Humanoids--but I admit, the Tabaxi--as WOTC presents them--ehh, you know? They seem...I can't put my finger on it exactly. Upon reading them, my first reaction was "Geesus, another stupid race for snowflakes!" LOL.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I'm not a fan of catpeople to begin with, but when the whole write-up seems to want to emphasize cat-like personality traits (compulsive curiosity & fleeting obsessions) and the whole "wanderers from a strange, faraway land" makes them very snowflake-y. Of course, mechanically they are very attractive for Bards, Rogues, Sorcerers, Warlocks, and Dex-based Paladins (yeah, those), so I've seen lots of players lured by the mechanics that then play them akin to kender (heavy on the compulsive curiosity & fleeting obsessions).

S'mon · October 30, 2018, 04:19:23 AM

I have a player playing a Tabaxi Rogue IMC; she's a very good player and it's a fun PC, albeit currently deceased at the hands of some steel guardians (super-iron-golems) while trying to reach a mysterious throne - will see on Saturday if the others can recover her body. Curiosity killed the cat!

rgalex · October 30, 2018, 09:34:46 AM

Quote from: Omega;1062240As I've noted before. In BX gnomes were a monster race and not necessarily a friendly one.

Back on topic.

So has the outrage died down over there any? I assume that the usual loons moved on to fresher targets after a while.

Nope, but they did codify in the new rules and guideline that ACKS is a banned topic because of legal threats made against RPGnet. Post three here says:

Quote-- The rpg game ACKS and the game company Autarch, as the designer of the game and owner of the company, Alexander Macris, has threatened the board with legal actions multiple times. (7/6/2018 for explanation from ShannonA)

Rhedyn · October 30, 2018, 10:27:40 AM

Quote from: rgalex;1062334Nope, but they did codify in the new rules and guideline that ACKS is a banned topic because of legal threats made against RPGnet. Post three here says:

"Legal Action" aka pointing out that calling him and his product a Nazi over and over again is a form a defamation and not protected by being a "review".

Motorskills · October 30, 2018, 11:49:06 AM

Quote from: SHARK;1062266Greetings!

Pundit! Tell me why you hate Gnomes so much!

I'm not fond of them, either. To me, if the campaign has Halflings, Dwarves, and Elves--I don't really see where Gnomes fit in. I've had a few friends that made a fairly good argument for them--essentially taking them out of the countryside, so they are nowhere near Halflings or Elves, and taking them away from hills or mountains where the Dwarves are. Instead, put them into large, crazy Gnome cities with lots of magic and technology. I can now see why World of Warcraft did *exactly* that with Gnomes, because they seem to suck hard doing anything else. I concede that is a decent and fairly interesting frame for the Gnomes--but that frame is about it, though, honestly.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Gnomes go back at least as far as 1e, no? Sure I remember the Illusionist to have was of Gnomish stock?

Not saying I really like them as a playable class, or even as a race really, I find that they eat into the space that makes other races (Elves and Halflings) particularly special. I don't see their culture played out much either, probably because it isn't really understood very well.

That said, my 5e DDAL deep gnome Diviner is a blast to play, the deep gnomes do have, well, the "deep" stuff going for them, adds colour to the table.