Quote from: Alderaan Crumbs;1061172Priceless!

You're too kind.

Quote from: jeff37923;1061165I think that is one of the reasons why we keep talking about TBP. A lot of us remember when it was a worthwhile place to discuss gaming.

Funny how forums go that way.

Quote from: jeff37923;1061113You won't find one like him on TBP.

...and if you did, they'd be permabanned as soon as the mods caught up with them.

Quote from: sureshot;1059889To be fair Gully Dwarves deserve to be called out imo. Such a strange and god awful thing to put in any campaign world followed by Kender. I don't think they realize it or even care how insulting it is to compare Gully Dwarves to those who are intellectually handicapped. While I have not met many individuals who are I have seen a few and none of them at least the ones I associated with act in any way shape or form as a Gully Dwarf. Shocking they assume those who are intellectually handicapped to be like the stereotype that they are unfortunately too often portrayed.

I wonder how those in that D&D thread function in normal society without the safe space, echo chamber of the the Rpg.net forums.

Gully Dwarves are like the Tinker Gnomes and Kender. Cursed with stupid. Just different brands of stupid. And Gully Dwarves come across more like some sort of poke at inbred hillbilly steryotypes. And yet they still were loyal and even brave at tomes. In contrast to other depictions. People seem to overlook these things quite often. And some writers have written them as essentially stereotypes of themselves which totally misses the point. Same with the Tinker Gnomes. They are literally cursed to be obsessed with complexity which makes them astoundingly stupid in a different manner.

Quote from: Omega;1061328Same with the Tinker Gnomes. They are literally cursed to be obsessed with complexity which makes them astoundingly stupid in a different manner.

My first contact with Tinker Gnomes was from Taladas. There the ruling class of Tinker Gnomes designed shit that actually worked. Their workers were the ones that couldn't design things right (but could follow the plans give to them by the ruling class, IIRC), and these were apparently the only Tinker Gnomes on the more common side of Krynn (Ansalom?).
Years later, I saw the same kind of thing repeated with the Mountain Folk of Exalted.

Christ I hated Tinker Gnomes. Of course, I hate all Gnomes.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1061743Christ I hated Tinker Gnomes. Of course, I hate all Gnomes.

I can't stand halflings/hobbits either.

Quote from: Kiero;1061758I can't stand halflings/hobbits either.

They're nowhere near as bad as Gnomes. Nothing is.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1062210They're nowhere near as bad as Gnomes. Nothing is.

Earthdawn's windlings can give gnomes a run for their money, IMO, windlings are worse.

The D&D 5e Tabaxi are pretty obnoxious in the way they're described too.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1061743Christ I hated Tinker Gnomes. Of course, I hate all Gnomes.

As I've noted before. In BX gnomes were a monster race and not necessarily a friendly one.

Back on topic.

So has the outrage died down over there any? I assume that the usual loons moved on to fresher targets after a while.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1062210They're nowhere near as bad as Gnomes. Nothing is.

Just don't lump regular gnomes in with Dragonlance and Spelljammers Tinker Gnomes. Ones a legitimate race like any other. The other is a joke that got old really really fast. Like 90% of the running gags in Dragonlance.

In D&D at least they cleave closer to leprechauns in some ways as was discussed in a thread here long long ago. That and drawing from other faerie folklore.

I think the main problem with gnomes is that they are really just "dwarves who can cast magic" and "dwarves under hills rather than mountains. And now you have hill dwarves soooo...

I usually just merge them with dwarves as another sub-race and move on.

Though I liked one approach way back that presented gnomes as... half-dwarves. The product of dwarven/elven unions. They should have used that for Thunder Rift!

Quote from: Kiero;1061758I can't stand halflings/hobbits either.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1062210They're nowhere near as bad as Gnomes. Nothing is.

I'm with Kiero in this one.  Halflings are worse.  Gnomes are mostly forgettable, with Tinker Gnomes or Gully Dwarves relegated to a small faction who actually read books back in the day.  Halflings, however, have absorbed the Kender hate, or are fat, gentrified, cowardly farmers that would die on the spot rather than be adventurers.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1061743Christ I hated Tinker Gnomes. Of course, I hate all Gnomes.

I like David the Gnome on Nickelodeon back in the day, but I never wanted to play one in a D&D game. The ones in D&D settings are too tall, anyway; I have trouble thinking of them as gnomes in any meaningful sense because of this.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1062235Earthdawn's windlings can give gnomes a run for their money, IMO, windlings are worse.

I never saw anything particularly off about Windlings. They're said to be attracted to novelty and driven by curiosity, but that's about it, and it's not universal. So you're not really limited on personality types any more so than with any other race, so if there's a problem I'd say it's the player's fault tbh. And they've relaxed the racial restrictions on disciplines in later editions, so if you felt too limited there then . . . well, you could have ignored them anyway, or allowed an exception if there was a good justification; but if you like sticking to canon as much as possible you have more versatility there now, too.

Quote from: Omega;1062240As I've noted before. In BX gnomes were a monster race and not necessarily a friendly one.

Back on topic.

So has the outrage died down over there any? I assume that the usual loons moved on to fresher targets after a while.

Indeed. Today's target is Trump voters. Supporting Trump is now a bannable offense.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1062210They're nowhere near as bad as Gnomes. Nothing is.

Greetings!

Pundit! Tell me why you hate Gnomes so much!

I'm not fond of them, either. To me, if the campaign has Halflings, Dwarves, and Elves--I don't really see where Gnomes fit in. I've had a few friends that made a fairly good argument for them--essentially taking them out of the countryside, so they are nowhere near Halflings or Elves, and taking them away from hills or mountains where the Dwarves are. Instead, put them into large, crazy Gnome cities with lots of magic and technology. I can now see why World of Warcraft did *exactly* that with Gnomes, because they seem to suck hard doing anything else. I concede that is a decent and fairly interesting frame for the Gnomes--but that frame is about it, though, honestly.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK