Abortion d20.

droog · January 22, 2007, 09:14:05 PM

Just too much class in this thread altogether.

RPGObjects_chuck · January 22, 2007, 09:16:35 PM

Quote from: Consonant DudeThat sucks for you.

Thanks for the heads up! I'll know to avoid the stuff you write like the plague.

Good.

James McMurray · January 22, 2007, 09:32:37 PM

Quote from: JimBobOzHe also explained why he gave it that rating - he liked it as a controversial thing, regardless of its actual value, content or usefulness, and he was pleasantly surprised that it wasn't total crap.

Actually what he said was that he gave it 4 stars, then bumped it another one because it surprised him and was controversial. Similar, but not the same as "oh look, controvery. 5 stars." I have doubts about any system that grants a jump from great to ultimate greatness on the basis of controversy and "it's better than I thought it would be." Your stance can be supported using what he actually said rather than making stuff up, so why bother making stuff up?

RPGObjects_chuck · January 22, 2007, 09:36:30 PM

Quote from: James McMurrayActually what he said was that he gave it 4 stars, then bumped it another one because it surprised him and was controversial. Similar, but not the same as "oh look, controvery. 5 stars." I have doubts about any system that grants a jump from great to ultimate greatness on the basis of controversy and "it's better than I thought it would be." Your stance can be supported using what he actually said rather than making stuff up, so why bother making stuff up?

Because he doesnt think he should have to read a review to criticize it?

Kyle Aaron · January 22, 2007, 09:41:10 PM

Quote from: James McMurrayActually what he said was that he gave it 4 stars, then bumped it another one because it surprised him and was controversial. Similar, but not the same as "oh look, controvery. 5 stars." I have doubts about any system that grants a jump from great to ultimate greatness on the basis of controversy and "it's better than I thought it would be."

You are quite correct, and right to point out that I was wrong.

However, a longer exposure to GRIM's posting will show you that he does indeed enjoy controversial games, simply for the sake of their controversy. Pimp: the Backhanding was one he was fond of, for example. He even made a card game called Hentacle, which really confused rpg.net since on the one hand they felt they had to be morally outraged by something dealing in a humorous way with tentacle rape, but on the other hand a good number of them love anime. Torn between the conflict of moral outrage, and lust - Geek Angst!

So I was confusing GRIM's comments and expressed attitudes in general, with those in his review for this particular thing.

GRIM · January 23, 2007, 01:27:19 AM

Quote from: JimBobOzSo I was confusing GRIM's comments and expressed attitudes in general, with those in his review for this particular thing.

I'm awake again and its my review so you can ask me directly

As to Pimp, no, I didn't like it. It made the cardinal sin of Not Being Funny. I don't like things just because they're controversial, they have to have worth as well. Hentacle is as much making fun of anime stereotypes - and fans - as it is selling harcore cartoon pornography and it was initially produced on a drunken dare, going on to become just about my biggest seller.

GRIM · January 23, 2007, 01:28:54 AM

Quote from: StuartI can imagine a game that treats this topic as a mature and sensitive issue. This game looks more like it's treating it in an immature and insensitive way.

Its not a game in and of itself, it is a collection of background information, rules and character inspirations related to the topic.

GRIM · January 23, 2007, 01:31:22 AM

Quote from: JimBobOzHe rated it positively because it was controversial, and wasn't total crap.

Each of us has our own yardstick of quality. GRIM's measure is how super shock edgy cool something is, combined with, "well, it's not total crap."

I could think of more useful measures of quality, myself, but...

Well, I do like edgy and cool, things that push boundaries, so that is a factor. It is also actually useful. The extra point given is for breaking ground and not caving to arseholes.

GRIM · January 23, 2007, 01:33:12 AM

Quote from: RedFoxI don't think abortion needs a whole product dedicated to it. Doing so is obviously a controversy ploy.

The good points that GRIM picked out would be better served in larger context product, such as one dealing with political processes in the U.S. or medical-based campaigns, etc.

I think you're just too close to this one to be too critical, GRIM. Sorry.

I think I said in the comments that a wider book on this sort of basis would be good. That's not the way LPJ tends to operate though, so the other approach might be a cluster of similar sized treatments of things like anti-capitalist protestors, ecoterrorism, anarchist black-blocs etc. I think the author could do a pretty good job of putting those sorts of things together and a series of those sorts of books would do the same job of putting this one in context.

GRIM · January 23, 2007, 01:33:47 AM

Quote from: JimBobOzAh, yes, but while we could judge that particular product, we couldn't judge all the products. After all, you did say that just because Louis Porter produced stuff other people thought ill of, didn't mean this particular product was no good.

So by your reasoning, we have to buy everything, just in case it's good.

No.

Well, there's demos on e23...

RedFox · January 23, 2007, 02:49:54 AM

Quote from: GRIMI think I said in the comments that a wider book on this sort of basis would be good. That's not the way LPJ tends to operate though, so the other approach might be a cluster of similar sized treatments of things like anti-capitalist protestors, ecoterrorism, anarchist black-blocs etc. I think the author could do a pretty good job of putting those sorts of things together and a series of those sorts of books would do the same job of putting this one in context.

Looking at his catalog, I guess I'd have to agree. Its sins are being exploitative and tasteless, but I'll cop that it might possibly have some, narrow, utility. And hell, I like some tasteless exploitation myself (Superfly is sitting on my entertainment system right this second).

This product doesn't appeal to me, though. And I certainly don't think I'd personally find any use for it. Sight unseen, that's about all I can really say.