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« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2013, 12:13:38 PM »
You are not the media you consume nor create.

Also, if TBP had it's way, Luke Skywalker would stand trial for race crime of murdering of Jabba the Hutt based on an assumption that all Hutts are crime lords. That said, let's keep the tangent about TBP in one topic, aye? :D
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« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2013, 12:14:42 PM »
Greater gender equality isn't going to break the underlying themes or point of 40K.  You can have a thoroughly awful and dystopian society with at least ostensible gender equality (q.v. Stalinist Soviet Union).  EDIT:  And really a lot of the Empire already seems pretty equal in this regard - Imperial Guard, the secret police, the Imperial bureaucracy, etc.

A "cold war" policy towards the xenos rather than outright extermination is a bit more of a stretch but really, play it like Rokugan in L5R - only certain individuals are authorized to deal with the xenos and we certainly don't want xenos wandering around the Empire freely (which in many ways reflects what is already the case in Rogue Trader) - and you still have a shitsack setting that's pretty much doomed to fall to Chaos anyway.  Especially when there'll be plenty of people - both those serving Chaos and those in various governments - eager to start up the next "hot war" at any given time.  Again, I don't see how this misses the point of 40K.

Caveat:  I'm an RPG guy, not a wargame guy, so I err on the side of "what will let me run a more interesting campaign" rather than "there must be ONLY WAR so that we can sell more minis".

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Wasn't there pretty much a cannonical thing from even GW that women turned into men when they joined Space Marines due to the whole genetic playing thing? Should sit well with all the genderfluid crowds.

I've never encountered that in canon (not that I've read every last GW book, o'course) and I suspect that if GW had stated that canonically, it would have shown up in at least one of the "female Space marines" threads - certainly some folks make that argument, but I've never seen a GW statement to that effect.

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That said, pretty sure the leaders of Adeptus probably care fuck and all about who's dying for the Imperium, as long as the machinery keeps on grinding and they can live cosy lives in bunkers of Terra.

The clue is in "Fascist", really.

And that, too.
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« Reply #17 on: July 12, 2013, 12:33:52 PM »
The very idea of a politically correct 40K misses the entire point of the setting. It always makes my stomach turn when people talk try to push political correctness into gaming, and even more so with a setting like 40K where the political incorrectness is a central part of the setting and the Imperium. It is particularly bad on rpg.net where they ban you for dissent against the PC brigade.

Now, I do have a few issues with the 40K setting and changes I make when running games, but they have nothing to do with increasingly tolerance, inclusiveness, or anything of the sort.

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« Reply #18 on: July 12, 2013, 12:57:32 PM »
This whole flamewar is so old and rehashed that there's even an entire wiki article about it. http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Female_Space_Marines
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« Reply #19 on: July 12, 2013, 01:32:05 PM »
What the hell?  That's what I've been saying for years...and it's on THIS forum that folks want a "more inclusive 40k universe".

Well at least you finally saw the light.
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« Reply #20 on: July 12, 2013, 01:36:17 PM »
You should stick to DERP DERP DERP.
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« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2013, 01:41:51 PM »
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You should stick to DERP DERP DERP.

I came by that particular phrase after giving up trying to convey the exact same point Pundit made in the OP.  Do a search for my username with the keywords Warhammer and have fun sorting through a metric fuckton of Warhammer arguments, many started by Pundit and the others by Ghost Whistler, wherein I state the exact same thing over and over.

You should stick it back in your ass.
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« Reply #22 on: July 12, 2013, 01:45:22 PM »
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I came by that particular phrase after giving up trying to convey the exact same point Pundit made in the OP.  Do a search for my username with the keywords Warhammer and have fun sorting through a metric fuckton of Warhammer arguments, many started by Pundit and the others by Ghost Whistler, wherein I state the exact same thing over and over.

You should stick it back in your ass.

Eloquent as always. And sorry but I have better things to do with my times than sort through your drivel. Tell us how those who don't play the wargame don't understand the true spirit of Warhammer please, or how those who houserule play Mother May I and DMs should stick to the rules.
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« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2013, 01:46:48 PM »
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Eloquent as always. And sorry but I have better things to do with my times than sort through your drivel. Tell us how those who don't play the wargame don't understand the true spirit of Warhammer please.


I'm not going to bother, since you already seem to know.

However, I will tell you when I imagine your voice in my head speaking your replies here, it sounds like tiny little high pitched farts.
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« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2013, 01:47:49 PM »
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I'm not going to bother, since you already seem to know.

However, I will tell you when I imagine your voice in my head speaking your replies here, it sounds like tiny little high pitched farts.

Seems like you need to get more meds. If the farts tell you to jump, remember to close the window behind you.
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« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2013, 01:49:54 PM »
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Seems like you need to get more meds. If the farts tell you to jump, remember to close the window behind you.


Says the guy who started this little exchange.

You really don't like me do you?

I guess I win the internets.
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« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2013, 01:52:35 PM »
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Says the guy who started this little exchange.

You really don't like me do you?

I guess I win the internets.


Frankly, before this 'little exchange' I did not remember who you were, but now I do. You forgot to say how the GMs who would change 40k universe are playing Mother May I gaming.

Feel free to hang the trophy on your wall.
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« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2013, 01:59:34 PM »
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Not gonna lie, I would drop some MDMA and play the shit out of this.


With or without the drugs it'd be fucking awesome. Now that's satire.

As.. I think, is 40k.. and Judge Dredd.

It's meant to be a fascist-theocracy with serious unpleasantness issues so of course they should be sexist.

But it's like many satires, some people just don't get it, and actually sign up for the cause that's being satirised.
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« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2013, 02:00:16 PM »
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Frankly, before this 'little exchange' I did not remember who you were, but now I do. You forgot to say how the GMs who would change 40k universe are playing Mother May I gaming.

Feel free to hang the trophy on your wall.

Don't misquote me.  That's a pretty lame tactic, and it goes to show you don't have a leg to stand on here.  And by the way, 'Mother May I" means you are playing without rules, not with a slightly different setting.

There are several threads where I encourage folks to create all kinds of interesting 40k games.  Here's just one.

As to the actual subject matter of this thread, the distilled gist of my arguments is thus:

If you attempt to change the setting, you're missing the point.

Note that there's all kinds of leeway for minor "sector" changes to create a setting all your own, with it's own idiosyncracies divorced from what GW and FFG publish.
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« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2013, 02:04:50 PM »
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Don't misquote me.  That's a pretty lame tactic, and it goes to show you don't have a leg to stand on here.  And by the way, 'Mother May I" means you are playing without rules, not with a slightly different setting.

There are several threads where I encourage folks to create all kinds of interesting 40k games.  Here's just one.

As to the actual subject matter of this thread, the distilled gist of my arguments is thus:

If you attempt to change the setting, you're missing the point.

Note that there's all kinds of leeway for minor "sector" changes to create a setting all your own, with it's own idiosyncracies divorced from what GW and FFG publish.

Surely attempting to change the setting is a mark of a lesser GM?

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With or without the drugs it'd be fucking awesome. Now that's satire.

As.. I think, is 40k.. and Judge Dredd.

It's meant to be a fascist-theocracy with serious unpleasantness issues so of course they should be sexist.

But it's like many satires, some people just don't get it, and actually sign up for the cause that's being satirised.

Well, it did start as "Let's have Warhammer....in Spaaaace" joke, with glorious spicing of AD2000 which was in it's golden years when 1e of RPG and WFB came out so...yeah.
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