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Burning Empires - the group killer

Started by PoppySeed45, August 15, 2010, 06:37:02 AM

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August 17, 2010, 02:35:36 AM
Quote from: Tim;399803Another quality of Fight is that it strongly rewards system mastery (aka it's complex), and if your players aren't willing (or excited enough) to invest some thought, time, and practice into learning the system they're going to be confused and disappointed. I think this is likely the problem that Mencelus's group ran into with the firefight in Burning Empires.

Having said all this, BW Fight has resulted in the most memorable RPG combats I've ever been involved in. They can be seriously intense skin of the teeth affairs, and the necessary knife's-edge mixture of tactical skill and luck is something I find very rewarding and exciting.

Tim

Issue is, at least for me (and I DO have the books) is that I don't think anyone save one guy is willing to put in the time to master the system in the way you're talking about. And is the payoff really that high? I've had plenty of combats that were skin-of-your-teeth victories or defeats, everything hanging on one last roll of the dice.

None of the combats we've done using the scripted system (Fight! for BW or the recent Firefight for BE) have created that feeling. Mostly, and this is for the two different groups who I've gone through it with, it ends up being really, really long and boring, where we are simply hoping SOMETHING happens.

It isn't like Warhammer 2nd, for example, where you whiff for a while and then blam, combat's over in one stroke. Scary that. The ones I ran went on and on. Then the BE one, not run by me, also went on and on.

I know different people have different experiences, but I'm not feeling that it's worth doing the work to get those experiences. I have plenty of other systems that are simply easier to run, adjudicate, and that, for my thinking, make sense.
 

Tim

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August 17, 2010, 08:44:11 AM
Quote from: Mencelus;399837I know different people have different experiences, but I'm not feeling that it's worth doing the work to get those experiences. I have plenty of other systems that are simply easier to run, adjudicate, and that, for my thinking, make sense.

No! Not possible! You are wrong.

I kid, of course. If the BW/BE are purely frustrating experiences for you, you'd be insane to keep playing them.
 
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