Quote from: rgrove0172;936547Just couldn't let it go could you?

He can't let anything go.

Quote from: Nexus;936545Thanks. Developed goes over smoother since it doesn't carry implications of superority to most folks but more growth and experience..

Heck, I'd go further and say "changed". There are ways that my gaming - and to the point, GMing - have improved over the years, but I'll also say my preferences have changed. It's not about "my way is better than yours", it's "my way may have been badly executed, but I got better at it" or "I liked one thing, now I like something else, but it doesn't mean you liking that that I used to like is somehow lesser."

Quote from: rgrove0172;936547Just couldn't let it go could you?

Worst. Marketing. Ever.

Or best.

I guess it suckered me into buying AD&D before I eventually went back to Molday B/X land.

Caused endless confusion and the need to support two product lines, though. Crazy.

Some of us just play Only D&D.

Quote from: tenbones;936495We're talking about, metaphorically, hiking around the Andes on both sides by way of the Amazon with the goal being our campaign going to Rio De Janeiro for Carnivale knowing fulling well we may not make it. The corollary being: there is room on the trip for you. You just have to decide the effort is worth it. (it is.)

Hopefully we won't catch teh Zika!!!

That's not much of pitch, is it? Your itinerary doesn't make any sense.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;936518You missed my point - it''s not a question of "imagination vs. experience" - it's 'imagination versus imagination,' what Grover imagines to be the scene versus what I imagine to be the scene. Several posters earlier in the thread pointed out that shit like Grover's "apparent detail" is unnecessary because their imaginations work just fine already and don't require the full Bulwer-Lytton treatment for 'a spring morning.'

I don't either, frankly.  I have had a horror of misusing words since I was a small child; I would never say "Packard" if I did not intend that the car was a by God Packard and nothing else.

Hitchcock said that imagination was stronger than anything he could supply, which is why so much in his movies was left off screen.  I find I would rather have somebody say "It's a fine spring morning" and let my brain paint a fine spring morning.  Rather like sex in gaming; saying "She loves all your favorite kinks" is far more effective than enumerating them.

And then there is the "using words wrong" issue.  "Riders in silks and leathers" is a favorite among third rate fantasy authors and it absolutely grates on me.  "Silks" are what a jockey wears.  "Leathers" are what attaches stirrups to the saddle.  SO a bunch of people ride up wearing jockey suits with inch wide straps hanging off them?

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;936556Rather like sex in gaming; saying "She loves all your favorite kinks" is far more effective than enumerating them.

And then there is the "using words wrong" issue.  "Riders in silks and leathers" is a favorite among third rate fantasy authors and it absolutely grates on me.  "Silks" are what a jockey wears.  "Leathers" are what attaches stirrups to the saddle.  SO a bunch of people ride up wearing jockey suits with inch wide straps hanging off them?

I was talking elf-games. Are we talking about that roleplaying?

All y'all basic bitches best knock it off lest you make baby Jesus cry for Christmas! :mad:

Can't you muff cabbages fuckin read the topic's title, "A Calm Conversation (hopefully)..."

Quote from: darthfozzywig;936522Then there's 'imagination vs (in-game) fact'.

Warm.

Quote from: darthfozzywig;936522If I describe the environment in a particular fashion to my players, that's the fact.

Warmer.

Quote from: darthfozzywig;936522In my case, it's probably relevant to the situation, but either way it's how it is.

Hot.

Quote from: darthfozzywig;936522If I don't, then they can imagine it however they want as long as it doesn't break something.

And once again we return to the point made by multiple posters in this thread, that everyone at the table has an imagination capable of understanding 'a warm spring day' without the Bulwer-Lytton. 'A cheap saloon' sets a scene all by its own self, and when I'm describing the scene, I'm going for those things which make it distinctive from another cheap saloon, to highlight resources, draw attention, misdirect, whatever, but not bore the shit out of the players with bad prose describing what they can see more sharply in their own mind's-eyes than I could ever hope to describe.

Quote from: darthfozzywig;936522No, it's unsurprising for you, but not necessarily for the PCs in question. You might want to tell your players stuff they wouldn't know, or you might want to describe things as they perceive them even if incorrect.

Plus, Kings Canyon weather isn't Mordor. We probably wouldn't go there so often if it were.

This both wanders rather wide of the point and is what we call 'picking the flyshit out of the pepper,' so I'm not going to waste my time with it.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;936584This both wanders rather wide of the point and is what we call 'picking the flyshit out of the pepper,' so I'm not going to waste my time with it.

Then you're missing the point, but that's ok.

Quote from: Opaopajr;936582All y'all basic bitches best knock it off lest you make baby Jesus cry for Christmas! :mad:

Can't you muff cabbages fuckin read the topic's title, "A Calm Conversation (hopefully)..."

A calm conversation about different game styles.. on the rpg site...?

That would be a Christmas miracle.

Quote from: rgrove0172;936461Im simply too old and tired to try to recruit and have no real connection with 17 year old kids that might want to play.

It's worth the effort. And you don't need teens. There are plenty of adults who are gamers, ex-gamers or missed out on gaming who know about D&D from various media who would be interested in playing with you.

Forum wank is fun, but its not a substitute for gaming.

If there are any regional game cons near you, I highly suggest attending. It's a good way to meetup with the local RPG scene, as are actual Meetup groups.

Go for it. When you have a rocking table again, you'll skip being old and tired.

Quote from: Nexus;936536Actually I prefer to sit on my hand until it falls asleep. Then its like being with someone else.

Drop the mic, Nex. (That was some funny shit!)

Quote from: Black Vulmea;936473Here's why you suck so hard, Grover.


Have you ever spent two weeks on the trail, Grover? I have. Sleeping on the ground gets easier after two or three days such that you don't notice it anymore. Moreover, your body gets what we called in the Park Service 'trail-hard,' such that you don't really notice the miles anymore. The longer you're out, the easier it gets, which is why backcountry rangers seem like deities to ordinary backpackers and hikers as they blast past them on the trails.

Bullshit, but you knew that already.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;936473The sun doesn't tell me shit about the weather, Grover. The wind and the clouds and the season do. I've encountered many sunny mornings that turned into wrath-of-gawd thunder-and-lightning shit-shows by afternoon.

And vastly more sunny mornings that lead to sunny afternoons, but don't the the majority of time get in your way of trumpeting all about the exceptions.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;936473Why are the fields full of flowers, Grover? Shouldn't fields be full of crops? or livestock? Is this part of the kingdom depopulated?

So much for you imagination

Quote from: Black Vulmea;936473See, your imagination is vastly inferior to my own, which means that trying to impose your vision over mine creates a disconnect between me and the game-world. If your players are just as ignorant as you, then you found a match made in (one of the lower, inferior) heaven(s). For me, your 'apparent detail' is just fucking noise.

Imagination?  I see an outright lie, a gross exaggeration of weather, and a lack of understanding basic agriculture.

Quote from: Black Vulmea;936518You missed my point - it''s not a question of "imagination vs. experience" - it's 'imagination versus imagination,' what Grover imagines to be the scene versus what I imagine to be the scene. Several posters earlier in the thread pointed out that shit like Grover's "apparent detail" is unnecessary because their imaginations work just fine already and don't require the full Bulwer-Lytton treatment for 'a spring morning.'

And part of the problem the [strike]troll[/strike] original post mentions, OG, arises when Grover stepped outside his tiny circle of [strike]sycophants[/strike] gamers and discovered his 'style' isn't universally adored by the masses.

No. you lack imagination

Quote from: Black Vulmea;936518A Sierra Nevada summer thunderstorm is completely unsurprising, foz - in fact, it's about as predictable as that morning's clear sunrise. That's rather the point - the sun rising tells me nothing about the day ahead, but where I am, what time of year, &c does.

Yep you lack imagination.

Quote from: CRKrueger;936521You haven't changed your GMing style since you were 12 and you want to know why that is considered basic?  

Ahh so you were a story gamer when you were 12, but saw the light after a bit of time and now punch-preach the glories of a particular style of supposed old school gaming?
No?

Yeah that's right you've been playing the same exact way since you were a wee lad.

Some will no doubt vomit when watching this but the GM's style is fairly similar to my own so I thought it might be useful to post in lieu of some of the misunderstandings present here. (Im referring to useless flowery descriptions not the original topic ) Kind of fun to watch too with a celebrity playing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLEMb_RIZ3o