_____ and _____ is to TRAVELLER, as Lord of the Rings and Conan is to D&D

Settembrini · June 23, 2010, 04:34:33 PM

Quote from: Koltar;389438Also there was no "Dixie -Nostalgia" in that show, if you had paid attention you would have noticed that the Heroes of the show are anti-slavery while the in-power government seems to condone or at least allow slavery in the 'verse.
- Ed C.

Isn´t that awesome, Koltar? It´s like all the cool confederacy nostalgia with all the bad stuff projected to the Evul Northerners. So convenient.

Koltar · June 23, 2010, 04:42:26 PM

Quote from: Settembrini;389476Isn´t that awesome, Koltar? It´s like all the cool confederacy nostalgia with all the bad stuff projected to the Evul Northerners. So convenient.

Goddamn it Sett - just start a seperate thread where you bitch about "Firefly" and display how wrong you are about it.

Many, many of us have played some version of TRAVELLER where the Third Imperium are not the 'Good Guys government.

"Firefly"/SERENITY tracks with that very nicely.

Hell, just the gist of it where its 5 to 7 characters trying to keep their freighter ship flying and breaking even - that is VERY much TRAVELLER-esque.

- Ed C.

Settembrini · June 23, 2010, 04:42:59 PM

To all the Firefly fanboys out there: Which story of the 'Verse wouldn´t be possible as a Western?

It is, by some definitions, of the genre, not even Science-Fiction.

The only story-arc I can think of would be the gun-girl Summer Glau, and THAT is a MANGA trope.

Plus: Whedon-lameness

Koltar · June 23, 2010, 04:49:32 PM

Quote from: Settembrini;389480To all the Firefly fanboys out there: Which story of the 'Verse wouldn´t be possible as a Western?

It is, by some definitions, of the genre, not even Science-Fiction.

The only story-arc I can think of would be the gun-girl Summer Glau, and THAT is a MANGA trope.

Plus: Whedon-lameness

Sett,

Start another damn thread - alright?

Okay TWO episodes: "Out of Gas" and "Trash"...maybe even "Ariel". All depend on taking place either in space or a futuristic high-tech society.

Oh and if you're still missing the connection Sett, BOTH TRAVELLER and "Firefly" had an ongoing undertone of the frontier of space being like the pioneer/old west frontier.

- Ed C.

StormBringer · June 23, 2010, 05:06:53 PM

Quote from: Settembrini;389476Isn´t that awesome, Koltar? It´s like all the cool confederacy nostalgia with all the bad stuff projected to the Evul Northerners. So convenient.

Do you come over here to spout your ignorance about American history because you are forbidden from talking about Nazis on your own boards?

Shut the fuck up, you retard.

Settembrini · June 23, 2010, 05:11:36 PM

Quote from: Koltar;389487Oh and if you're still missing the connection Sett, BOTH TRAVELLER and "Firefly" had an ongoing undertone of the frontier of space being like the pioneer/old west frontier.

Koltar wins the thread! Everything that´s wrong in Traveller is amplified in Firefly. Thus my disapproval.

To the other guys: Really? Insult other people's countries of birth because someone didn´t love a Whedon show as much as you do? How poised...

SionEwig · June 23, 2010, 05:24:18 PM

Trying to ignore Sett's derailing, but to the OP I think that I would add Heinlein's The Rolling Stones (aka Space Family Stone and a condensed version as Tramp Space Ship) as well as a number of his other juveniles.

Koltar · June 23, 2010, 05:29:23 PM

Quote from: SionEwig;389504Trying to ignore Sett's derailing, but to the OP I think that I would add Heinlein's The Rolling Stones (aka Space Family Stone and a condensed version as Tramp Space Ship) as well as a number of his other juveniles.

That makes sense.

When I was a teenager I thought of TRAVELLER as diluted/blended version of Harry and Harrison and Poul Anderson stories with a bit of H. Beam Piper blended in. Add to that major influences from Asimov and Heinlein definitely, maybe Arthur C.Clarke as well.

- Ed C.

thedungeondelver · June 23, 2010, 05:36:12 PM

Quote from: Koltar;389507That makes sense.

When I was a teenager I thought of TRAVELLER as diluted/blended version of Harry and Harrison and Poul Anderson stories with a bit of H. Beam Piper blended in. Add to that major influences from Asimov and Heinlein definitely, maybe Arthur C.Clarke as well.

- Ed C.

No Niven? No E.E. "Doc" Smith? Son, we need to talk...

StormBringer · June 23, 2010, 05:50:50 PM

Quote from: thedungeondelver;389516No Niven? No E.E. "Doc" Smith? Son, we need to talk...

I am having a bit of trouble with the Lensmen stuff everyone keeps bringing up. I get the psionics angle and all, but Traveller can be run with absolutely zero psionics, if desired. While Doc Smith did write what was arguably the first 'space opera', I think there was enough other literature in that genre that placing his books at the fore would be... shortsighted? Not really the word I am looking for there.

thedungeondelver · June 23, 2010, 05:53:15 PM

Quote from: StormBringer;389534I am having a bit of trouble with the Lensmen stuff everyone keeps bringing up. I get the psionics angle and all, but Traveller can be run with absolutely zero psionics, if desired. While Doc Smith did write what was arguably the first 'space opera', I think there was enough other literature in that genre that placing his books at the fore would be... shortsighted? Not really the word I am looking for there.

Mm, okay, you caught me out. Here's a caveat : if you are running with a lot of psi, then Lensman.

jeff37923 · June 23, 2010, 05:56:08 PM

Quote from: thedungeondelver;389540Mm, okay, you caught me out. Here's a caveat : if you are running with a lot of psi, then Lensman.

Or Dune.

Or Babylon 5 for that matter.

StormBringer · June 23, 2010, 05:57:43 PM

Quote from: thedungeondelver;389540Mm, okay, you caught me out. Here's a caveat : if you are running with a lot of psi, then Lensman.

Agreed.

And I recall correctly(without digging my LBBs up) that was more or less the default assumption, so I wasn't trying to prove anyone wrong. It just seems that Lensmen is all about the psionics and not about much else, really. I guess I was more curious why Lensmen would be considered a good framework for Traveller from folks who have read more of the books than I.

Silverlion · June 23, 2010, 06:00:48 PM

Quote from: StormBringer;389534I am having a bit of trouble with the Lensmen stuff everyone keeps bringing up. I get the psionics angle and all, but Traveller can be run with absolutely zero psionics, if desired. While Doc Smith did write what was arguably the first 'space opera', I think there was enough other literature in that genre that placing his books at the fore would be... shortsighted? Not really the word I am looking for there.

His earliest Lensmen universe work doesn't really have "powers"--other than quick thinking heroes.

It's more Pulp SF, than anything.

StormBringer · June 23, 2010, 06:17:42 PM

Quote from: Silverlion;389553His earliest Lensmen universe work doesn't really have "powers"--other than quick thinking heroes.

It's more Pulp SF, than anything.

True, Triplanetary seems to just be a set up for what is to come, but as I remember, it was also written after the first few Lensmen adventures were out there. Sort of a prequel of the time. I might be remembering wrong, though.