http://www.enworld.org/forum/content.php?6176-John-Wick-Sells-7th-Sea-to-Chaosium

Could be worse.

Could have been sold to EN Publishing, and renamed 7.T.H. S.E.A.  

Quote from: kythri;1082031could be worse.

Could have been sold to en publishing, and renamed 7.t.h. S.e.a.  :d

c.l.a.s.s.i.c.  

7th (politically correct) Sea?

Huh? Didn't 7th Sea 2e have a $1M Kickstarter years ago? Did he deliver all the books?

Chaosium getting 7th Sea isn't good news.

Fortunately, 7th Sea 1e is easy enough to find on eBay. The core books are great fun. The later setting stuff in the splats do more to harm the coolness of the presentation of the setting in the core book.

If 2E wasn't utter trash system-wise, I would enjoy these news. But since apparently nobody plays this game anyway, does it really matter?

When will somebody step up and do an actual 2nd edition/revision of the original 1E game? Not some wonky storygame designed by a lunatic egomaniac that happens to share the same name.

Quote from: Nerzenjäger;1082158If 2E wasn't utter trash system-wise, I would enjoy these news. But since apparently nobody plays this game anyway, does it really matter?

I play. I've been running it since the core book was released. The system isn't "utter trash" (though you may not like it). And yes, it does matter.

Tom

The kickstarter made a lot of money, but the rewards were too cheap. I think I got a physical copy of the core book, pdfs of the entire 1e/d20 line, and all the pdfs of the 2e for $40? So I never needed to spend another dime. I would have probably bought more physical copies if the system had been less wonky.

"Upon acquiring this new game line, Chaosium's paramount objective for 7th Sea is the fulfilment of the outstanding rewards from the 7th Sea Second Edition and 7th Sea Khitai Kickstarters."

I don't like John Wick at all but it appears he's doing the right thing and fulfilling the kickstarter. It's all to easy to just skip out on fulfillment.

I participated in the KS and, to my knowledge (I'm not following the KS page every week), the stretch goals have been released consistently. I'm really happy with this project and management.

Quote from: hedgehobbit;1082389"Upon acquiring this new game line, Chaosium's paramount objective for 7th Sea is the fulfilment of the outstanding rewards from the 7th Sea Second Edition and 7th Sea Khitai Kickstarters."

I don't like John Wick at all but it appears he's doing the right thing and fulfilling the kickstarter. It's all to easy to just skip out on fulfillment.

So Chaosium is jumping in with spending money to fulfill promises that have already been paid for? They must think that there's a lot of profits left to be squeezed, but don't most profits drop off after the initial core books are put out? They aren't talking about a 3e, but isn't that where the money return is likely to be?

Quote from: HappyDaze;1082494So Chaosium is jumping in with spending money to fulfill promises that have already been paid for? They must think that there's a lot of profits left to be squeezed, but don't most profits drop off after the initial core books are put out? They aren't talking about a 3e, but isn't that where the money return is likely to be?

Well its a sure bet that Chaosium isn't in this for charity or a tax write-off.  7th Sea has a pretty deep well of material in various stages of development, including a novel, a board game, a LARP, and a sci-fantasy variant in addition the the KSed lines.  Plus we don't know the terms of John Wick's contract with them.  I'm sure they are getting something out of this beyond the joy and satisfaction of fulfilling someone else's kickstarter obligations.

Either way, I'm interested to see what a company with an established marketing arm and distribution chain can do with the game.  Even fully staffed, JWP didn't have much in the way of either.  Let's check the waters this time next year--I'll bet we'll have a clearer picture of their plans.

Tom

John Wick isn't the Bogeyman. He's the game designer you send to kill the Bogeyman.

JG

SJWaosium has its own track record of bad decisions, so maybe this is their newest one. Though I agree with Blusponge, there is value in the 7th Sea IP so let's see what the brand and fanbase looks like in June 2020.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1082494So Chaosium is jumping in with spending money to fulfill promises that have already been paid for? They must think that there's a lot of profits left to be squeezed, but don't most profits drop off after the initial core books are put out? They aren't talking about a 3e, but isn't that where the money return is likely to be?

The article mentions that John Wick has agreed to write some non-7th Sea supplements for Chaosium. It is probably a complicated compensation package where Chaosium gets 7th Sea and some supplements written and Wick gets his Kickstarter cleared up and some guaranteed writing gigs (and, most likely, some cash).