I don't know how many people have been keeping up with these; but this weeks has taken a break from the usual catalog of monsters to ask for feedback on how various terms in the Monster Manual should be defined.

http://www.wizards.com/DnD/Article.aspx?x=dnd/4wand/20130409#85986

Poll results are here:
http://www.wizards.com/DnD/Article.aspx?x=dnd/4wand/20130416#86092

This actually looks pretty promising, I'd say.

I love the terrain stuff (I've always loved that stuff), and like little things like how settled terrain can be woodlands as well as clear farmland frex (and settled woodland =/= wilderness forest).

The monster categories seem fine.

Like that the classic Planes look like they're making a return! Screw "Feywild" and all that unimaginative nonsense, the Great Wheel rocks!

I like the treasure table idea ("pouch", "chest" etc) too, sounds really neat!

Thus, for me, decidedly a ""

I think the two things that will turn me off from 5E will be:

Buy Martial Power# 1-5, buy Players handbook 1-5, etc....

and

Clunky game mechanics that slow down play.



If they promise not to do either of the above I will give 5E a serious chance.

Reinventing the wheel, part 2434234232.

Quote from: Benoist;644386Reinventing the wheel, part 2434234232.

Ding.

Quote from: Benoist;644386Reinventing the wheel, part 2434234232.

Improving on the wheel, trying to go from wooden to rubber wheels, and perhaps some shocks to absorb some bumps from the road.

Or does the Orthodox Temple of Gygax forbid variance from the one true word?

Is it just me or was there no L&L this week?

I miss the weekly whining.

Quote from: Piestrio;644410Is it just me or was there no L&L this week?

I miss the weekly whining.

Yeah, Mike Mearls is on holiday after PAX.

Quote from: Mistwell;644408Improving on the wheel, trying to go from wooden to rubber wheels, and perhaps some shocks to absorb some bumps from the road.

Or does the Orthodox Temple of Gygax forbid variance from the one true word?

You got it all wrong. Theologians don't thrive on the one true word but on the exegesis of our ancestors' holy gibberish, received from on high via the burning grapevine. In other places, it's about the one true interpretation, but around here it's the struggle itself that counts. The agonies and torments.

Quote from: Mistwell;644408Improving on the wheel, trying to go from wooden to rubber wheels, and perhaps some shocks to absorb some bumps from the road.

Or does the Orthodox Temple of Gygax forbid variance from the one true word?

ahahahahahahahahahahaha I swear you fucking cunts have invented this ghost story and now swap it around to each other - AND ON THE HANDLE...WAS GYGAX'S D20!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111111 like it has some actual factual bearing on anything in reality ever, but shine on you crazy...well, nothing, because you're just crazy.

Quote from: Mistwell;644408Improving on the wheel, trying to go from wooden to rubber wheels, and perhaps some shocks to absorb some bumps from the road.

Or does the Orthodox Temple of Gygax forbid variance from the one true word?

It's 2003-5 all over again, I see.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;644425ahahahahahahahahahahaha I swear you fucking cunts have invented this ghost story and now swap it around to each other - AND ON THE HANDLE...WAS GYGAX'S D20!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111111 like it has some actual factual bearing on anything in reality ever, but shine on you crazy...well, nothing, because you're just crazy.

Quote from: Benoist;644430It's 2003-5 all over again, I see.

So, to be clear, neither of you have an actual response, and just a bitch about having heard this response before.  Gee, you think if you're consistently hearing the same thing about your position, for years and years, from entirely unrelated people, maybe it rings true? I know if people always told me by breath stank, I'd check my breath rather than complaining about the people telling me my breath stank.

I am just saying maybe re-looking at the old wandering monster tables and trying to improve them isn't re-inventing the wheel, it's just trying to make it a better wheel.  If you have a reason for why those old tables were perfect as-is and should not be considered for improvement (other than martinet orthodoxy), please let me know.  That would be, you know, an actual response to my position.  I've posited your over-reactions look like adherence to some orthodoxy.  

If there is some other reason for your over-reactions, I am waiting on pins and needles to hear it.  Complaining others have told you the same thing when this has come up in the past, that it looks like your orthodoxy, just reinforces my position.  You're making it loud and clear that others have seen the exact same thing in your positions, for years.  And "It's not true, BECAUSE!" isn't a persuasive response.

Ah, I see: the wheel that is being re-invented is not the actual wheel but the discussion about the wheel that has been rolling since 2009, no 2003... perhaps since the dawn of time or 2e at least?

this IS theological!

What is the excluded middle of a wheel called - the hub..., no the nave! Invent the nave, knaves, so all them wheels and wheel-talks going round and round can serve a purpose.

Quote from: Mistwell;644434So, to be clear, neither of you have an actual response, and just a bitch about having heard this response before.

"If I KEEP saying the SAME THINGS over and over for MORE THAN A DECADE it MAKES THEM TRUE!"

BEEP BOOP INTERNET RESPONSE MACHINE BEEP BOOP

seriously isn't enworld missing its village idiot right now, mistwell

Quote from: Mistwell;644434So, to be clear, neither of you have an actual response, and just a bitch about having heard this response before.  

I'm neither of them, but I'll give you my response.

Fuck 5E and WotC. I'm already bored with this puppet show of a playtest.

I've found the fantasy RPG system to suit my needs and it is Pathfinder/3.x D&D and Labyrinth Lord/B&X D&D with some extra stuff stolen from MERP and Artesia.